Omniscience, Omnipotence, the Fall & Logical Contradictions.

If Was, Is and Will be are all available to an omniscient God and always have been then before during and after the fall all exist to him now equally as they always have done. Time is effectively meaningless.Unless we have a creationist version of the many worlds theory in which all free will possibilities are being played out.......(an intriguing if silly concept)How can there ever have been any point at which God did not know of the fall and therefore of any human choice?
Probably totally off topic but even if we accept the fall as perfectly acceptable why am I still paying the price for some apple munching idiot?Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

It still seems particularly harsh to me to damn everyone who ever has lived, does live and will live on the basis of the actions of two idiots. Talk about stereotyping!!!
If we have freedom of choice what right does God have to assume I would have made that same choice on the basis of Adam and Eve???
If we do not have freedom of choice then it seems kinda harsh to punish anyone for doing what they are preprogrammed to do.
Either way this is not someone I want to hang out with.Imagine if I cursed you, your whole family both now and for all future generations + all your friends and their friends forever more - just because YOU disobeyed my wishes. I can't imagine you would think that particularly fair!And you want us to worship this vengeful lunatic?

But surely your anology falls down because if I could cure people of an infectious disease that would affect them and all their offspring forever more I would.God can but does not.According to your analogy God is guilty of medical negligence.Where can I sue?

But why did he let ME get this deadly disease in the first place? I had done nothing wrong and had not had not even had the opportunity to do anything wrong.In Gods eyes we are all guilty until proven innocent. Why?Preventative medicine is the name of the game and medical negligence would still be the verdict. I might need a lawyer.

So god setup a test
That he knew Adam would fail before Adam even existed
Then he punished Adam for failing the test
And then punished everyone else for ever more
No matter that they had no free choice themselves in the test he had set
For failing the test that he knew Adam would fail
By infecting us all with the disease of death and suffering
That he could "cure" at any time
But does not
Because he wants to judge us
Despite knowing the results of the judgements alreadyAnd then you want me to call in his son as my defence lawyer!!!
I'll take my chances

A. Well acording to you I probably am
B. I could have called them a lot worse. What would you call those who disobey Gods instructions to the detriment of the billions that follow them?
C. What choice? Worship your God or damnation? Which faith (all of which claim lesser or greater damnation if you do not follow their particular brand) am I to believe?
D. No. An omniscient God already knows my choice
E. Really? According to the bible itself the wife of Lot, Aaron, everyone except Noah and his family at the time of the flood and the population of Jericho might disagree? How are you so sure no one is being punished?
F. There is still a major question which this post is exploring as to how an omniscient omnipotent God and free will are compatible. See the chessmaster posts
G. I would choose not to actually. He seems a very unpleasant individual as per E. above
H. Even worse given that we and everything else o this planet have little choice but to remain here (until science possibly provides an alternative)
I. Hurrah! Agreement.
J. You really have that patronising self righteous tone down to pat. Congratulations on that.
K. Well thanks for that small mercy
L. I would suggest that delusionment and indoctrination has led you to your conclusion. Your assertion of "truth" is a typical position of the deludedly faithful. Given that all faiths equally claim to be privy to absolute certainty and that you should therefore follow their teachings and no other (with greater or lesser damnation upon the non believer) and no logical way to discern between equally unprovable faith based positions (Christian, Muslim, Hindu etc. etc. etc.), the only logical conclusion is to beleieve only that which there is empirical evidence to support.

On that premise he is also immune to any logic or sense as we know it either. God is beyond comprehension......
In other words you have setup an unassailable position that can defy all argument with pseudo philosophical nothings about how god does not have to conform to human concepts of time/logic/rationality/motivation or anything else.
Congratulate yourself on the consistency of your delusion and consider how you actually "know" any of this nonsense and why your particualr brand of nonsense is to be believed over equally improbable but equally superficially unassailable claims regading any other god?

So God could lie if he wanted to?