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Omniscience, Omnipotence, the Fall & Logical Contradictions.

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sidelined
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Message 74 of 354 (355543)
10-10-2006 8:22 AM 		Reply to: Message 72 by iano
10-09-2006 6:54 AM

Re: Timelessness now, ladies and gents!
iano
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If he is indeed outside time then knowing it happened is the means by which he knows it is going to happen.
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I am curious here as to why you seem to think God being outside of time somehow means he can still access time. Being outside of time means what exactly?
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10-10-2006 11:29 AM 		Reply to: Message 76 by iano
10-10-2006 11:24 AM

Re: Timelessness now, ladies and gents!
iano
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I am using the device of timelessness to illustrate the flawed nature of that latter argument: the one that decides what is logical must be the case in fact.
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No,you cannot merely assert something without explaining the basis for taking this stance since it does nothing to bolster your position and, indeed, serves to undermine it.
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My question is how a God performs an act when he is removed from the dimension of time which is necessary to perform an action in the first place.
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11-05-2006 7:55 AM 		Reply to: Message 127 by Christian7
11-04-2006 2:31 PM

Re: God: Just or Unjust?
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Forknowledge - Knowing in advance what will happen. (No effect produced)
Predistination - Bringing about a future event. (An effect is produced)
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If forknowledge is certain then the event that it forsees must come to pass and thus indeed become an effect.
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11-05-2006 11:01 AM 		Reply to: Message 143 by Christian7
11-05-2006 10:54 AM

Re: God: Just or Unjust?
iBibleNano
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Any event that will come to pass will come to pass, therefore we can't change it. Is that not an effect in itself? Yet we still have free will.
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But if the future event must come to pass in order for forknowledge to exist then we cannot avoid what that forknowledge represents and thus cannot avoid it by exercise of free will
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