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Topic: Omniscience, Omnipotence, the Fall & Logical Contradictions.
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DominionSeraph
Member (Idle past 4783 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: 01-26-2005
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iBibleNano writes: 1. God is omniscient and knows everything before it happens. 2. A person has many choices to chose from but God knows what choice he will chose. 3. Considering that he COULD have chosen any one of those, even though God knew he would chose the one he did, and he did, that means he has free will. If you can't change what will happen tomorrow any more than you can change what happened yesterday, how are you free?
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DominionSeraph
Member (Idle past 4783 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: 01-26-2005
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Guido Arbia writes: Because once again, as I have stated, we do not know our own future. There is nothing to change. If we knew our future, then we would have something to change, and if we couldn't change it, then you would have an argument. So your entire argument is, "Becase you don't know you're in a cage, even though you're in a cage, you're not in cage." Sorry, but if you're in a cage, you're in a cage. Edited by DominionSeraph, : No reason given.
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DominionSeraph
Member (Idle past 4783 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: 01-26-2005
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Message 211 of 354 (362540)
11-08-2006 2:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 204 by jar
11-06-2006 8:37 PM
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jar writes: Found out that IBibleNano is under 16. They're all children. The only difference is in how well they hide it. Edited by DominionSeraph, : No reason given.
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DominionSeraph
Member (Idle past 4783 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: 01-26-2005
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Message 212 of 354 (362543)
11-08-2006 2:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 210 by RAZD
11-07-2006 10:43 PM
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RAZD writes: Earth can be defined as a cage for all life on earth: does that make us caged? An unlimited "free" is self-contradictory. Check yourself. Edited by DominionSeraph, : No reason given.
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DominionSeraph
Member (Idle past 4783 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: 01-26-2005
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Message 214 of 354 (362648)
11-08-2006 1:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 213 by RAZD
11-08-2006 7:42 AM
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RAZD writes: I don't need unlimited. ONE "free" means unlimited "caged" is false. An unlimited caged is self-contradictory. Edited by DominionSeraph, : No reason given.
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DominionSeraph
Member (Idle past 4783 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: 01-26-2005
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Message 216 of 354 (362793)
11-09-2006 4:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 215 by RAZD
11-08-2006 5:38 PM
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RAZD writes: Thus "anything that confines or imprisons" "without qualification or exception" would be unlimited caged. What's the contradiction? It would have to cage itself (as not to would be an exception), while not caging itself (as it's unlimited -- uncaged).
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DominionSeraph
Member (Idle past 4783 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: 01-26-2005
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Message 219 of 354 (363022)
11-10-2006 4:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 217 by RAZD
11-09-2006 9:15 PM
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Thus it is not.
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DominionSeraph
Member (Idle past 4783 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: 01-26-2005
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Message 222 of 354 (363867)
11-15-2006 7:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 221 by RAZD
11-10-2006 12:20 PM
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RAZD writes: you were the one brought up unrestricted, when the discussion was relative restriction and freedom. They're always limited and, due to practical considerations, nearly always relative. (By binding to a subject, any direction that doesn't apply to that subject doesn't need to be addressed. If you don't bind it to a subject, you have to completely enclose it; and determining whether you're at the end of the concievable directions, and whether there are any inconceivable directions, tends to be problematic.) You're the one who brought up unrestricted in your attempt to sound Zen, as that's what you used to disassociate Cage(1) from Cage(2) so that you could have a Cage(A) and Cage(NOT Cage A). I have an addition for your signature: "Enlightenment is in confusing your terms."
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DominionSeraph
Member (Idle past 4783 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: 01-26-2005
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Message 228 of 354 (365028)
11-20-2006 8:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 223 by RAZD
11-15-2006 6:16 PM
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RAZD writes: Actually it was you: No, it was you:
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Earth can be defined as a cage for all life on earth: does that make us caged?
Latter 'caged' is clearly disassociated from the restrictions of the former. If I misinterpreted, that would mean that you asked an extraordinarily stupid question. I win either way.
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DominionSeraph
Member (Idle past 4783 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: 01-26-2005
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Message 230 of 354 (366099)
11-26-2006 3:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 229 by RAZD
11-22-2006 8:51 PM
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RAZD writes: Which has nothing to do with "unlimited" The absence of limits on your latter 'caged' has nothing to do with unlimited?
RAZD writes: Notice the total lack of the words "unlimited" and "unrestricted" in the quote you used to claim that I posted it first. This is misrepresenting the truth. Nope. Your absence of limits (thus 'unlimited') rolls right into my "unlimited". Everything before your post was limited. Thus you started it. I never said otherwise.
RAZD writes: I find it curious that you think you "win" by misinterpreting the positions of others. If my interpretation assigned it the only meaning with an ounce of sense behind it, and if my interpretation was wrong... See? I don't win by. It's just this set of circumstances gives me a win due to what's left.
RAZD writes: This is, of course, more like the behavior of trolls RAZD writes: lack of response to... your posts: I don't respond to trolls. Affirmation of the consequent. Ya' gotta give me a harder one than that. Edited by DominionSeraph, : No reason given. Edited by DominionSeraph, : No reason given.
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