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Author Topic:   Creationists as Hyperevolutionists?
Sonic
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Message 4 of 98 (69552)
11-27-2003 3:42 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Rrhain
11-27-2003 1:31 AM


The real question is, will organic evolutionists ever agree that they changed the meaning of theoretical from guess to educated guess?
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Sonic

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Sonic
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Message 5 of 98 (69553)
11-27-2003 3:44 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by lpetrich
11-27-2003 1:44 AM


Re: Sorry, I Forgot the URL
Just edit your original post.
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Sonic
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Message 6 of 98 (69555)
11-27-2003 3:49 AM
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11-27-2003 1:31 AM


Micro-evolution extends out to speciation but stops before new abilites(i.e. macro evo) and is well proven. You look ignorant with your last post.
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Sonic
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Message 11 of 98 (69784)
11-28-2003 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Peter
11-27-2003 7:21 AM


Ok,
Theory Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
Read part 4-6 on this definition you have to include those when we talk about theory. Yes those are compared to guessing.
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Sonic
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Message 13 of 98 (69787)
11-28-2003 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by NosyNed
11-27-2003 10:03 AM


quote:
You said new species didn't arise because that was macro-evolution which doesn't happen and now you have moved to agreeing that new species do arise.
Where is this at, I dont ever remember saying that when new species arise this is macro-evolution.
quote:
We are getting back to where you started. We still don't know what the barrier is that stops this so called macro evolution from happening. We still don't know what you think it is. When is a change "vertical", what is "more" complexity? Now you have introduced "new abilities", what are they?
It appears that you are ignorant of what you are saying (to say nothing of evolutionary science). Could you clarify all that?
I believe we have clarified macro-e as the development of an organ through the process of genetic drift and hidden mutation(i.e. through this process the new organ appears as if it were new and never seen and also appears as if it came out of no where). The actual definition is a little confusing so I will state it the way I did above.
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Sonic

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Sonic
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Message 14 of 98 (69788)
11-28-2003 10:04 PM
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11-28-2003 10:00 PM


Agreed, moving on.
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Message 16 of 98 (69793)
11-28-2003 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by mark24
11-27-2003 12:07 PM


Would this be considerd a small genetic change?
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Message 17 of 98 (69795)
11-28-2003 10:11 PM
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11-28-2003 10:06 PM


That would include genetic drift and mutation, so are you saying those dont occur?
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Sonic
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Message 19 of 98 (69799)
11-28-2003 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Asgara
11-28-2003 10:18 PM


Have you read the other thread yet? I have not listed it this way but if you accumelate the information it would look something like this.
steps of TOE:
1. micro-e
2. (medium-e)genetic drift and hidden mutation
3. macro-e
Thank You
Sonic
P.S. I understand that you are trying to get me to follow a less specific guidline, that is, micro occures and leads to large changes but for me to be able to say I agree with the toe in any sort of way I have to be able to connect micro to macro with the guidlines I have presented. So do you think I am right or wrong? - and ok to continuing on the other thread. http://EvC Forum: Macro and Micro Evolution -->EvC Forum: Macro and Micro Evolution
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