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Author | Topic: Which animals would populate the earth if the ark was real? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
No, it doesn't. Look at the word: trans-... -gress. A "gress" is a step. progress is a step forward, digress is a step backwards. Transgress is a step across. As a geological phenomenon it is when waterline/sediments move across the surface. Here's an image:
This is all semantics. Well no shit. You didn't know what a word meant, how else am I to explain it to you other than semantically? Do you care to address the actual point of my post?
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but there is nothing in the transgression definition that says all the land couldn't have been covered by the sea. No doubt, but we're talking about his paper that he linked to. Doesn't their study of transgressions imply that there was dry land there?
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We need complete DNA analysis of prehistoric fossils to even start guessing which were on the ark or which have speciated since. lol - if they're pre-historic then they wouldn't be around during the recorded history of the Flood. Its so obvious that you're just making up bullshit off the cuff.
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you need to be proposing experiments to test your guesses, Well I went, in Message 205, so far as to link him to this grade school level science project that he could even do in his own home. He didn't even reply so I don't have much hope for him actually going out and finding his own experiments.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
(unless anyone could provide proof that these processes that I describe are impossible) How about we just ignore you? I mean, the process is NOT: prove these things that I have just made up as wrong, or I get to assume that they might have happened. Why should we waste that time?
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I mean, the process is NOT: prove these things that I have just made up as wrong, or I get to assume that they might have happened. That is exactly what the process is about. Then your process is the worst one we know of for modeling reality. Your approach can't even get you out of The Matrix. That is, since you cannot prove that you're not in The Matrix, then we get to assume that you are. Have you ever hear of Russel's Teapot?
quote: A scientific approach is much better, as we know because of all the advances that scienc has given us: that is, assume that the evidence that we can find points to a reality that we are experiencing. Follow the evidence where it leads and let it speak for itselt. Your approach, "prove me wrong or I get to assume I'm right", is the worst way to figure things out. You can't even determine if you're just a brain in a jar or not.
If you agree the ark story was actually possible, then we are in happy agreement, and my job here is done. But I know that the ark story is impossible.
If you state the ark story was impossible, then the onus is on you to find evidence for your statement. The evidence that proves it is impossible is that the Earth has never been covered in water during a time when humans were alive.
This includes disproving EVERY possibility. If you cannot disprove every possible scenario, this makes your confident claim that the ark story is impossible, just childish banter. Then you are calling childish banter, the position that we are not living in The Matrix and that I am not just a brain in a jar. No, sir, that is chidish banter.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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I don't get too philosophical about these issues. If someone says DNA disproves a recent bottleneck , they must show me the background to their thinking. Their avoidance of doing so speaks volumes. Yeah, and then when people do show you the evidence, you make up a bunch of bullshit like 'what if time is compressed', or you could use the equally valid 'maybe we all live in The Matrix'.
If you wish to philosophise away the burden of providing evidence, No, this is in the Science Forum section of this website. In this part, we use scientific evidence. That means that all your what-ifs have zero weight until you provide evidence for them.
it all looks pretty foolish to the thousands of visitors who may be religious and would really like to know if a flood can be disproven. But by your approach, you can't even disprove that we live in The Matrix. So why should anyone care?
not everyone works off the assumption that ancient books are incorrect until proven true, some believe an ancient book could be right until proven wrong. Every single person who has posted in this thread believs that an ancient book could be right until proven wrong.
Whether that satisfies your logic or not, is irrelevant to making an impressive argument or your position, which is lacking. Nobody cares if you're impressed. What you have show is that the only way to maintain a belief in The Flud, is to turn a blind eye to the evidence and make up a bunch of ridiculous what-ifs to prop your belief onto.
This is a fair argument, except the most likely place for humans to have existed is the Siberian highlands. No, that is not an evidenced conclusion, that is something that you made up. You might as well be claiming that we live in The Matrix.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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This mischaracterizes what's been said. I said it isn't impossible that the Earth has been entirely covered by water at some point in its history. Catholic Scientist said it's impossible while human beings lived. Granny Magda said your whole scenario is impossible, which includes human beings and a global flood at the K-T boundary where no humans, indeed even few mammals, are found. I think people can be forgiven for using the term impossible to apply to incredibly unlikely scenarios. You have no evidence supporting your position, and much evidence against it. From a scientific perspective, and a debate perspective the use of the word "impossible" has very definite connotations and should be used very carefully. And besides, its only unlikely because of their propensity not to believe in literal bible stories, That's a lie. I know the Flood didn't happen as described in the Bible from the evidence that proves that the planet has not been covered in water since humans have existed. And that evidence has nothing to do with radiometric dating. Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.
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(ie if you can find a spot on earth that definitely did not have flooding in the PT boundary please just post your evidence, otherwise refrain from needless nonsense) Well that's just stupid. There were no humans alive at the PT boundary. The Triassic layers hardly even contain mammals, let alone people.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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Well that's just stupid. There were no humans alive at the PT boundary. The Triassic layers hardly even contain mammals, let alone people
Regarding the Triassic containing humans what we see in fossils is consistent with the bible story. No, it isn't, because there is no sign of humans in either the Permian nor the Triassic layers.
Obviously if there is a worldwide flood followed by hot desert anoxic conditions (Triassic) the main survivors would be amphibuous reptiles. These would dominate until the tiny populations of humans and mammals expand out of the Levant/Egypt/Ethiopia/Arabia area. But there was a large population of people around before The Flood too. We should find their remains in the layers below the flood layer. But those don't even contain any mammals at all, let alone humans and goats and cities and all that stuff that would be there if the story was true.
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You're missing a bigger point. If the Bible story, as mindspawn interprets it, is true the Triassic layers shouldn't exist. How can we get so much geology in mere thousands of years? Time compression! Which means that, since the the continents were in Pangea-form beforehand, there would have been crustal displacements that occurred so rapidly that there would have been enough energy to boil all the water off the planet. His narrative is utterly ridiculous and simply laughable.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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Sweeping statements! Are you seriously stating that all the water would boil off the planet without any links or maths to back it up? Well, I was being a little hyperbolic... but its utterly ridiculous to think that you can compress all that crustal displacement into a very short amount of time. That idea is deserving of nothing more than sweeping statements.
Its only in mountain building tectonic movements that the friction is high. You're the one who thinks that the "mountains" back then were just "hills" because that's what the hebrew word really meant. But anyways, your Flood model stands refuted in the absence of any possibility of humans near the PT boundary.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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It just doesn't seem worth it to me.
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The theory is that muons cause fusion (and other processes), which maintains the current natural neutron flux which is currently slowing the decay rate through neutron capture. The Neutron Capture Process - Windows to the Universe"Neutron capture can occur when a neutron approaches a nucleus close enough for nuclear forces to be effective. The neutron is captured and forms a heavier isotope of the capturing element." Instead of heavy isotopes steadily decaying, we have a simultaneous process of heavy isotopes being created, or lighter isotopes becoming heavier. This slows down the amount of daughter isotope present in the rock, the parent maintaining its heavy and unstable state. Okay, this is getting really weird... I can't tell if you are being dishonest, or are just kinda dumb. I remember when you were talking about how the environment can cause mutations in humans, and then you linked to a study about yeast. And now you're talking about radioactivity on Earth, and link to a process that occurs inside stars. I mean, if somebody showed you that they could light a match in their backyard, and said that therefore you should be able to build a fire at the bottom of a lake, how would you respond to that? Wouldn't you just write them off as crazy?
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