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Tangle Member Posts: 9517 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Ok Faith, I was only interested in establishing just how fanatically racist you are. Job done.
Je suis Charlie. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
“Improvised explosive device” set off near Colorado Springs NAACP office – The Denver Post
quote: So should we blame\investigate all white people, all white males, all balding white males, all balding white males driving white pickup trucks, all balding white males driving white pickup trucks with dark colored bed liners, all balding white males driving white pickup trucks with dark colored bed liners and open tailgates, or all balding white males driving white pickup trucks with dark colored bed liners with open tailgates and obscured license plates ... Should all people driving with missing or obscured license plates be investigated ... remember McVeigh was pulled over for missing plate and he was a bomber ... Are there moderate balding white males driving white pickup trucks? Inquiring minds want to know. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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vimesey Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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The problem is that Islam itself, its own "holy" books, is all for the taking of SOME lives, and jihad is on their books, the killing of nonMuslims for Allah is on their books. There are no doubt moderate Muslims but they are out of tune with their religion. They can't very well condemn an action that is prescribed in their own books and be trusted.
And in your holy book, God orders the stoning to death of some poor sod who picked up sticks on the Sabbath, along with any number of killings, massacres, even genocides. Moderate Christians explain away these rather nasty injunctions, and rightly so. Moderate Muslims also distinguish such nastiness as there is in their holy book, and preach love, tolerance and understanding. Not so different, from a genuinely objective perspective. Edited by vimesey, : ClarificationCould there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The problem is that Islam itself, its own "holy" books, is all for the taking of SOME lives, and jihad is on their books, the killing of nonMuslims for Allah is on their books. There are no doubt moderate Muslims but they are out of tune with their religion. They can't very well condemn an action that is prescribed in their own books and be trusted. I'm curious Faith. Over on the [tid=746516] thread you say things like:
Message 431: The problem with this whole subject is that any way race can be shown to be a factor in such a profile or any social situation it is assumed to be racism and unjust. I can't make that assumption. If it is known that blacks and Hispanics are more often involved in criminal activities of certain kinds than, say, whites or Asians, then it is simply common sense, realistic judgment of the probabilities, to suspect them. I'd want to see the statistics compared to the rate of criminal activities in Chicago by those races before I concluded racism is involved. I'd also ask how many Asians there are in the city and what proportion of them are stopped under the same circumstances. ABE: I'd also bet that the kind of car that is being driven, its age and condition, may be a factor, and that the whites who do get stopped may also fit a profile of a type known to be more often involved in certain kinds of criminal activity. There are many kinds of profiling if you want to identify a likely suspect. And here you are profiling ALL muslims as being untrustworthy and driven to violence by their religion ... you are invoking a "super-predator" myth about muslims ... but there you adamantly deny that you cannot know a person is racist and that you cannot assume that their behavior will be racist even if they have unconscious racist beliefs. Don't you think muslims should not be pre-judged on what the religion says, even if it is an unconscious belief for some, but rather on behavior and actions when that occurs? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
just how fanatically racist you are "Muslim" is not a race.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9517 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Coyote writes: "Muslim" is not a race. You are totally correct, thank you. How quickly we (I) jump to these phrases even if we (I) are actually sensitised not to do so. I need to think about what that actually means. My first thought is that the word I need - religionist - does not exist afaik. I would be grateful for help with this.Je suis Charlie. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
You're ok Tangle - the UN is prepared to adopt "racial discrimination" as a portmanteau term, so as to include discrimination based on religion too: International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination - Wikipedia
So no need to spend too long in that particular semantic rabbit hole.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
"Bigotry" covers a multitude of sins. Or "prejudice."
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What we need to understand as citizens of the United States of America is that even radical Islam is no where near as great a threat to US lives, wealth and freedom as is the US Congress, Executive branch and of course the SCOTUS.
9-11 was a tragedy, almost 3000 US lives lost but our government's response to the incident resulted in over 50,000 US casualties so far. The total number of non-US casualties from the US response to 9-11 is well into the hundreds of thousands of individuals. Yes, the US is threatened but mostly by us, by how we react, by our ignorance and lack of critical thinking skills. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin Edited by jar, : or ---> ourAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped! |
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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2,000 Feared Dead in Boko Haram Attack
More than 2,000 people are feared dead after Boko Haram destroyed 10 to 20 communities in Nigeria’s rural northeast, according to a senator from the region. These towns are just gone, burned down, said Ahmed Zanna. The whole area is covered in bodies. The radical Islamic group razed the town of Baga along with several others over the past five days. The 2,000 are unofficially unaccounted for. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
By the way, "Muslim" is not a race. abe: Never mind, I just saw that Coyote already said this. /abe
Besides being "fanatically" aware of the dangers of Islam, I'm also anti-Marxist, anti-Satan, anti-PC etc. Don't forget to put those on your list of my sins. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Islam orders all its members to perform jihad, which is far from the same thing as the Bible's reporting on past events. The Bible tells Christians to love our neighbor. Moderate Muslims have to contradict their "holy" books to preach anything but jihad against "infidels." You people really cannot think at all. I wonder if and when you'll ever wake up.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm not prejudging Muslims, who may have any degree of misunderstanding of their own religion, but I am judging their religion itself, which, if they decide to learn it and follow it, wants all of us converted or dead. How you can compare this with what I said about race is too boggling to fathom.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Militants planning mass casualty attacks against West
Militants planning mass casualty attacks against West London (AFP) - The head of Britain's domestic spy agency MI5 warned on Thursday that militant Islamists in Syria were planning "mass casualty attacks" in the West and that intelligence services may be powerless to stop them. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
How delightful, now we can't "discriminate" against a murderous cult, and you people think this is right and just. I wonder if any of those who subscribe to such pitiable "logic" will ever wake up.
abe: I don't think you will ever, really. I think they are going to be allowed to commit their murder and mayhem, probably launch an all-out attack on Jews for starters, which has been going on in France for some time, while anti-Semitism has been growing wherever Muslims have sufficient numbers to have an impact, along with the mass murders of Christians and other "infidels" that have also been going on for some time in Africa and elsewhere, and you'll all continue to rationalize it away until they've killed you too. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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