The Search for Moderate Islam

Or try living in communities that are dominated by atheists. All it took was one loudmouthed atheist to remove prayer from the public schools, which had been in place for centuries; all it took was one plaintiff to make abortion the law of the land. No need to bother about majority rule any more, all it takes is the Supreme Court misapplying the Constitution to wipe out our formerly Christian rule of law.Case in point: There's very little that passes for entertainment that doesn't have sex scenes, including homosexual sex scenes, for which I have to avert my eyes. Even porn magazines were on display in some places after the Supreme Court made porn a matter of free speech until there was enough uproar to get them put out of sight. And so on and so forth. And yet you object to changes Christians or Mormons would bring about? Looks to me like you've got the kind of society a good atheist would prefer to live in, untrammeled by Christian mores, while now it's the Christian values which are nowhere in sight. In other words, it isn't only religions that impose their way of doing things on the rest of us.However, as Coyote points out, the comparison between Muslims and Mormons is ridiculous. The WAY Muslims impose their views on everybody else is by force. Mohammed spread Islam in the first place by murdering everybody who rejected it. They kept trying to invade Europe and succeeding to a great extent, up until the Protestant Reformation, their purpose being to establish their Islamic State throughout the world. They have a mandate to take the entire world for Allah and they don't just wait around for normal political processes to persuade people to their views, they behead you if you object. They do have to wait until they have that necessary population percentage, and once they have it they act to force the rest of the population to bow to Allah. They have that necessary population in some parts of Europe already, such as in Marseilles, where they torch cars and riot to get their way, making the city the most dangerous in Europe. I read somewhere, sorry I don't remember the source, that among the invaders of our borders are definitely illegal Muslims, evidence being prayer rugs found along the border.As long as useful idiots who have been deluded by political correctness keep making moral equivalences between violent and peaceful religions the violent ones will continue to grow and overrun the rest of us. Modulous made the crazy statement that Islam is not their Book, the Koran, but he's wrong. They do what they do because Mohammed wrote it down.Better start practicing your prayers to Allah.
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Roman Catholicism did the violent murderous things you say, but not Christianity, not to say they didn't make similar errors at times, though nowhere near that scale. With Catholicism and with Islam they are not errors though, the murders are intrinsic to their belief system.And as for "complaining" about atheist influence, my whole point was that atheists ALSO work to impose their will on the rest of us since Taq said that's what religions do. You could recognize the context and stick to the point but you'd rather complain about my Protestant beliefs of course.And my further point was that method also matters since Islam murders people to impose its will, which is not the method of the other religions named, though that too is not something you'd like to recognize, is it?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The problem is that Islam itself, its own "holy" books, is all for the taking of SOME lives, and jihad is on their books, the killing of nonMuslims for Allah is on their books. There are no doubt moderate Muslims but they are out of tune with their religion. They can't very well condemn an action that is prescribed in their own books and be trusted.

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Gosh what a flowery bit of fantasy THAT is. Along with a weird idea of the consequences of mere lack of trust of people whose religion wants us all converted or dead. Moderate Muslims either don't know what their religion prescribes or they are lying low as told to do until the time is right to take over a particular society. Their own leaders have said as much. Funny how those who think they are on the side of reality here are the most susceptible to suicidal lies. Rather than face reality you call those who tell the truth racists. Typical PCEdited by Faith, : No reason given.

By the way, "Muslim" is not a race. abe: Never mind, I just saw that Coyote already said this. /abeBesides being "fanatically" aware of the dangers of Islam, I'm also anti-Marxist, anti-Satan, anti-PC etc. Don't forget to put those on your list of my sins.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Islam orders all its members to perform jihad, which is far from the same thing as the Bible's reporting on past events. The Bible tells Christians to love our neighbor. Moderate Muslims have to contradict their "holy" books to preach anything but jihad against "infidels." You people really cannot think at all. I wonder if and when you'll ever wake up.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm not prejudging Muslims, who may have any degree of misunderstanding of their own religion, but I am judging their religion itself, which, if they decide to learn it and follow it, wants all of us converted or dead. How you can compare this with what I said about race is too boggling to fathom.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

How delightful, now we can't "discriminate" against a murderous cult, and you people think this is right and just. I wonder if any of those who subscribe to such pitiable "logic" will ever wake up.abe: I don't think you will ever, really. I think they are going to be allowed to commit their murder and mayhem, probably launch an all-out attack on Jews for starters, which has been going on in France for some time, while anti-Semitism has been growing wherever Muslims have sufficient numbers to have an impact, along with the mass murders of Christians and other "infidels" that have also been going on for some time in Africa and elsewhere, and you'll all continue to rationalize it away until they've killed you too.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Oh right, thank you so much for the reminder. And to that we must add hater of the theory of evolution. Have we done it now for the PC crowd?

Ha ha ha ha ha. You guys are such saps. Islam actually teaches that it's good to lie to further the Kalifa or taking over the world for Allah. About a year before 9/11 I happened to read a book (Ramon Bennett, Philistine) that quotes Islamic leaders on their plans to take over the world, I've probably even quoted from it here at one time or another. Erase Israel from the planet (they've already erased it from their maps), settle Muslims in nonMuslim countries until they have enough of a population to force changes in their favor, by violence if necessary, force conversion or death, lie to make it sound like you accept their standards until you have the power to make them submit.The denial of the mass murders around the world in the name of Allah, and of the mayhem they are bringing about in Europe, the destruction of Marseille for instance, the high crime rate in Norway that finally prompted that nation to deport Muslims, says only too much about the leftist mentality.It's possible there are truly moderate Muslims, but as I keep saying they can only be moderate by denying the teaching of the religion they espouse, or reinterpreting it. Islam itself is a murderous satanic plan to subjugate the world.. Edited by Faith, : break into paragraphsEdited by Faith, : No reason given.

Sigh. If fear is a factor in the differences between conservatives and liberals, it's due to the recognition of reality by conservatives and its denial by liberals.

The author quoted Islamic leaders and the official books of Islam. You can check it out for yourself.

I wouldn't be so sure that the reasons for the fears you mentioned have disappeared. Public outcry has an effect, but wait and see.

Some Muslims are NOW condemning the atrocities, but for years we looked in vain for any such condemnations, while we saw film of Muslim crowds cheering and celebrating the downing of the twin towers for instance. They seem to have learned it's in their interest to condemn it here and there, or they overcame their fear of being murdered by the true Muslims. Some may be genuine, some may be lying for Allah.