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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Are you using NewSpeak on the First Amendment yet again?
LOLAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
We can own slaves? I didn't know that.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The perverse cleverness of leftists never ceases to amaze.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Gosh, such ingratitude for a generous all-expense-paid trip to Maiduguri.
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Jon Inactive Member |
I believe Lincoln was a Republican...
Love your enemies!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Amazing that all leftists know how to do is accuse and lie. Wait, we can own slaves? OK, I take it all back.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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I'd guess the source is the United States. Do I win a prize? Yes, you win a prize. It is not one you'd like to win though, and if you were still in school you'd be sitting on a stool in the corner.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Coyote writes: jar writes: I'd guess the source is the United States. Do I win a prize? Yes, you win a prize. It is not one you'd like to win though, and if you were still in school you'd be sitting on a stool in the corner. Suppose I was attending a school that valued truth and honesty instead of dishonesty and denial of reality? Shall I add up the numbers yet again for you?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Suppose I was attending a school that valued truth and honesty instead of dishonesty and denial of reality? Then you would also have a dunce cap on your head and the sting of the Principal's ruler on your butt.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Not one of the CCoI avoidance schools but a real school Faith.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh absolutely, a real school, say in the early 1900s
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
LOL
So a school when we were still teaching mythology instead of facts. Got it.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
And that adds another hour in the corner on the stool with the dunce cap, plus a ruler to the palms, and an hour detention every night for a month.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9517 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Sam Harris has long taken a fairly hard line against Islam for an otherwise liberal thinker and I tend to agree with him. He has a very long article discussing this with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali born ex Muslim that became a member of the Netherland Parliament - a quite extraordinary woman.
Most liberals think that religion is never the true source of a person’s bad behavior. Even when jihadists explicitly state their religious motivationsthey believe that they have an obligation to kill apostates and blasphemers, and they want to get into Paradiseliberal academics, journalists, and politicians insist on looking for deeper reasons for their actions. However, when people give economic, political, or psychological reasons for doing whatever it is they do, everyone accepts those reasons at face value. If a man murders his neighbor because he wants to steal his property and doesn’t want to leave a witness, everyone accepts the killer’s account of his actions. But when he says, as every jihadist does, that he was driven by a sense of religious obligation and a yearning for Paradise, liberals insist that the search for an underlying motive must continue. So the game is rigged. If you’re always going to look beneath a person’s religious convictions for something else, of course youll never see that religion is an important driver of human behavior. He summarises the problems with traditional Islam.
Harris: It certainly should be. That’s what is so crazy about this Islamophobia charge. The people who commit the worse offensesthe honor killers, the suicide bombers, the Taliban gunman who attempted to murder Malala Yousafzaiare absolutely clear about their motives and articulate them at every opportunity. They are motivated by Islam. Yes, other religions have problematic doctrines. We can even concede that the Old Testament is the most barbaric scripture of them all. But Christians and Jews don’t tend to take the worst of its passages seriously, for reasons that can be explained both by the centuries during which these Western faiths have been weathered by science and secularism and by crucial elements of their own theology. Most important, in my view, is the fact that Christianity and Judaism do not have clear doctrines of jihad, nor do they promise, ad nauseam, that martyrs go straight to Paradise. Islam is truly unique in this respect, which helps explain the fanaticism and violence we see throughout the Muslim world. Of course, your focus has been on the plight of women and girls under Islam, many millions of whom live in conditions that are antithetical to the most basic human happiness, as you know all too well. And the rationale for their oppression is drawn directly from scripture. And why it's counter-liberal NOT to critice Islam
Harris: You’ve just exposed another painful irony here. When our critics insist on cultural or religious sensitivity, imagining that they are protecting a vulnerable population, they are really protecting thuggish men who are oppressing women, spreading hate, and stifling freedom of thought within their own communities and freedom of expression everywhere else. Anyone who likens the criticism of Islam as a doctrine to a hatred of Muslims as peopleor to anti-Semitism, racism, and other forms of bigotryhas made it more difficult for Muslims who are truly suffering to speak about their problems. It never ceases to amaze me that when one complains about Muslim theocrats abusing Muslim women and freethinkers, one inevitably gets accused of anti-Muslim bigotry. It will probably seem tendentious to many readers for me to put it this way, but our critics are just dishonest. Which reminds me of something you said at the end of one of your public lectures: Someone was challenging you and insisting that Islam is no different from every other religion, and I think you said something like If it’s the same as every other religion, why do I have to walk around with armed bodyguards? http://www.samharris.org/...lifting-the-veil-of-islamophobia Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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