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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Jar, you complain all the time about my lack of evidence but I rarely see you producing any evidence for your outlandish claims. You make all kinds of assertions about evidence, rarely actually show any. There was no underwater basalt you say, well, there didn't necessarily have to be in my scenario either, if most of the eruptions occurred after the water had receded, but you don't give your evidence in any case, you just assert it.
Unfortunately, for your point of view, we do have evidence and it is readily available. If you are not familiar with it, here is some of the basic information. If you want details, it can be found in mountains of scientific literature. Do you really want to get into that?ABE: Oh and those "severe die-offs." Typical OE joke. You see a paucity of life (an absence of fossils for some reason the theory tells you to expect) in some level of strata and call that a die-off and relate it to these events you also find dated in the strata. This is a ridiculous joke. The strata contain the fossil record of what was killed in the Flood. OE "evidence" is a pathetic joke, all made-up out of silly assumptions. Extinction event - Wikipedia Now, what have you got?
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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No millions of people to be killed in the century after the Flood, and there could have been weather patterns that protected the Middle East too, lots of rain perhaps, the development of the ice age in those northerly parts also exerting a damping influence on the volcanic effects.
"Maybe", "might-have", "could-have", "should-have" ... Evidence? Faith, your repopulation of the earth is not off to a good start...
Siberia is a long way away, and at the time India was probably en route via tectonic transport from the coast of Africa to its resting place in Asia some time later.
So then it was in the sourthern hemisphere. Not a good supporting point, Faith. Please read the link: Extinction event - Wikipedia The word 'global' occurs 30 times in this article.
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Referring to the blue clasts in this image:
Yea, what are the blue stones?
After some research, it appears that there are some blue dolostones out there and these are from a different unit, probably the Beck Springs Formation. Though new to me, these are apparently common enough that no one really bothers to describe them any more.
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Sad. Pathetic. You invent time periods for the strata and think you can tell by the dead things in them what lived during your imaginary time periods, but what the fossils REALLY should tell you is how amazingly diverse living things were before the Flood.
Faith, congratulations for reading this article (at least in part). Admittedly, few YECs would actually do that. However, I (and others here) have noticed that you do not provide any kind of actual evidence or links of your own (other than perhaps some dubious, unconstrained references from DI, etc.). So, how about it? Why not provide some kind of support (I won't even ask for 'evidence') rather than just assertions such as:
"Golly gee, ..."
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
All based on the bogus evidence of the false interpretation of the strata and their fossil contents. Of course those show worldwide effects, they represent what died in the worldwide Flood, not in the volcanism that came after the Flood, by which time all the strata were laid down and all the dead things in the fossil record thoroughly dead. Such a JOKE to peer into one of the strata and make claims about what supposedly happened during a mythical time period assigned to that block of rock. Like reading tea leaves.
Again, no support for your claims. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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"Every living thing od all flesh" is pretty clear.
So... The Ark had a 99% failure rate.
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Such evidence would be for instance the massive fossil cemetery of the Karoo.
Faith, since the Karroo Supergroup is such a large fossil cemetery, could you please point out where the mammal section is?
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
You mean the fossils? But they ARE there in reality. It's what they represent that's in question. They all died in the Flood, all from Precambrian to Holocene, rather than in separate time periods over hundreds of millions of years.
So, no humans died in the early phase of the flood, when rainfall was pulverizing the hills and massive slurries of sediment were covering the landscape? Okay, so humans could run away, but what about their homes and tools and other artifacts. How did those escape the erosion and inundation?
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
I haven't spent a lot of time on the Karoo but have the impression there are no mammals represented there or some reptilian type mammals or something like that..
So, you 'have an impression'? Sounds like bullet-proof evidence to me.
Perhaps what I just wrote in Message 700 about the general lack of mammals and humans in the fossil record also applies to the Karoo.
But, billions of fossils, and not one mammal? I thought that, according to Ken Ham, the flood gives us a perfect explanation for the channeling of biological remains into one huge cemetery. I mean, it's a huge package of rocks, with several rock types, environments of deposition and dinosaur fossils, and different formations... C'mon, Faith, just one little bunny...
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
All I know is that the fossil record would put them at the very top where they had least chance of being fossilized.
And their buildings, tools, artifacts, livestock etc. somehow made it all the way to the top of the geological record. Did no one live down by the oceans or river valleys at that time? They only built on mountain tops?
I'm sure they didn't escape.
I'm talking about the first phase of the flood. How did buildings escape the 'scouring' and the burial by the first surge of sediments?
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
So, Faith, you don't have an idea what you're talking about, do you?
Heh, heh ... Hey, 'impressions' are good enough for me! Why do you have to be so picky?
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
I didn't say their houses would be buried in the upper strata, just the people.
I noticed. So, where are the houses that once existed before the flood? Can you show us one sitting on the Great Unconformity? How about an arrowhead or pottery shard? This isn't rocket science, Faith. If there were people around at the beginning of the flood, then their artifacts should be found in the first phase of the flood, not just at the 'top' of the geological column. They did not just 'run uphill'.
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
You have NOT proved the need for immense periods of time, ...
Well, not to \[b\]you/b. Most reasonable people agree that old ages make more sense. They understand that the house of ad hoc cards you are building is pure fantasy.
... you have artificially invented the idea. And the Flood took ONE YEAR with a few years of aftereffects, not 6000 years.
And your supporting evidence?
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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You WAY underestimate the destructive power of a worldwide Flood.
Heh, heh, heh ... So the evidence we ask you for was destroyed!!! Amazing. And convenient for you. So, then, Faith, why do we have fossils at all, particularly in the lower flood sediments? How were delicate soft-bodied creatures preserved, and how did we get things like footprints in soft sediments?
However, sometimes I think there may be artifacts from the pre-Flood world that are misinterpreted by Science as usual. Don't know, maybe all perished.
Well, if you think so...
Of course your biased interpretation must be better than mine because it's yours, right?
I'd say that pretty much everyone here has a better interpretation than you. At least, they have provided support for their arguments.
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
edge, to me coprolites are always very interesting. Those guys just had a dump or two around their houses...
Yeah, I was thinking about those also. I guess dinosaur feces were more durable than human feces... There's always a reason, eh?
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