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Jon
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Message 414 of 578 (746385)
01-06-2015 10:27 AM


White Man Antagonizes and Shoots at Police :: Is Hauled Away Unscathed
Here's some more food for the vultures:
quote:
"St. Paul Man Charged in Police Officer's Air-Gun Shooting" from TwinCities.com (Pioneer Press):
Robert Scott Wood, 53, taunted and threatened police, brandished a knife and a rifle with a scope, tried to stab a police dog and yelled, "Just shoot me and get this over with," according to a criminal complaint filed in Ramsey County District Court that also charged him with first-degree assault.
.   .  .
Wood went back in the house, Pira heard another snapping sound and saw Talley, an 18-year veteran of the force, grab his right cheek before yelling, "I'm hit."
.  .  .
Wood eventually was coaxed out of the house by crisis negotiators after two hours of negotiation, walked outside with his hands up and then knelt on the ground, apparently naked, about 4:30 p.m. Friday. No one else was injured.
Police danced with this guy for hours, despite him having several knives and a gun, and even shooting an officer. They finally led him to the slammer fully alive.
Were they going easy on him because he was white? Because he clearly suffered some mental handicap?
I'm sure everyone will have their opinions.
Jon

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Jon
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Message 464 of 578 (748112)
01-22-2015 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 456 by Dr Adequate
01-12-2015 6:43 PM


How many people last year were murdered by gangs?
How many people last year were murdered by first-amendment ralliers?

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Jon
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Message 466 of 578 (748275)
01-24-2015 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 465 by NoNukes
01-23-2015 1:08 AM


How many people last year were murdered by the Black Panthers?
Huh?

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Jon
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Message 476 of 578 (752465)
03-11-2015 2:58 PM


Is America Racism Happy?
The public response to two recent events seems to suggest that Americans are in love with the word 'racism', even when such accusations are difficult to support:
quote:
"Will Wisconsin Stay Peaceful After Cop Kills Unarmed Teen?" from CBS News:
On Saturday, several dozen protesters holding signs and chanting "Black Lives Matter" - a slogan adopted by activists and protesters nationwide after recent officer-involved deaths of unarmed blacks - marched from the police department to the neighborhood where the shooting took place.
...
Koval said police responded to a call about 6:30 p.m. Friday of a person jumping into traffic. A second call to police said the man was "responsible for a battery," Koval said. Kenny went to an apartment and forced his way inside after hearing a disturbance. Koval said the officer fired after being assaulted by Robinson; Koval said he couldn't say how many shots were fired because it is part of the investigation.
Wisconsin's online courts database shows that Robinson, a 2014 graduate of Sun Prairie High School, pleaded guilty to felony armed robbery in October and was sentenced in December to three years' probation. A police report said he was among four teenagers arrested in a home invasion in which the suspects were seen entering an apartment building with a long gun and ran with electronics and other property. A shotgun and a "facsimile" handgun were recovered, according to the report.
What is the message protestors are trying to send to the police? What didn't justify the use of deadly force?
And then there's this, even more ridiculous:
quote:
"Fraternity's House Mom Sings N-Word" from CNN:
The Oklahoma Daily, the university's student newspaper, posted a Vine dating from 2013 that shows an older woman talking over a rap song, saying "ni****" seven times in quick succession.
The woman, who is seated with an Oklahoma shirt behind her, laughs before repeating the racial epithet. The sound of "All Gold Everything" from Trinidad James -- a black, Atlanta-based rapper -- can be heard in the background.
What's the cause for outrage? Should people not sing along to rap songs containing derogatory language? And why nothing to be said of the song's artist? Here are the lyrics:
This shit sound like 007 on N64 and shit
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
James
Gold all in my chain, gold all in my ring
Gold all in my watch
Don't believe me, just watch
Nigga nigga nigga
Don't believe me, just watch
Don't believe me, just watch
Nigga nigga nigga
Don't believe me, just watch
Don't believe me, just watch
Gold all in my chain, gold all in my ring
Gold all in my watch, don't believe me just watch
This ain't for no fuck nigga
If you a real nigga then fuck with me
This one for the hood niggas
Hipster bitches that shop at Lenox
Dark skinned, light skinned, Asian and White women
Hypebeasts we know aboutchea'
Don't buy shoes unless they popula'
For the hoes, my nigga
That's pussy popping at Magic City
Got that strong, my nigga
Then come match that shit with me
Smoking mid, my nigga
Then don't pass that shit to me
This one for my niggas
And bitches bout that money, (Cash Out)
Gotta love, Chesire Bridge
Them bad hoes at Onyx
I don't fuck with no snitches
So don't tell me who telling
This one for them colleges
Them bad hoes at Spelman
Shout out to them freshmen
On Instagram straight flexin'
Popped a molly, I'm sweatin', woo
Popped a molly, I'm sweatin', woo
Momma always told me, Boy, count your blessings
In God I Trust, so I kept counting them Franklins
I'm too fly, you know this
Lemme give your ass a checklist
One gold watch, two gold chains
Six gold rings, it's nothing, God Dayum
OG Jordans, them high socks
No shirt on, I'm stunting, okay
And this song for them fuck niggas
Who hating on you this summer, fuck em
Talk shit behind your back
But won't say shit in public, fuck em
  — Trinidad James "All Gold Everything" from Genius.com
Is America going nuts over shouting 'racism'? Does it just make for good news? Do people just love the drama?
Most importantly, what affect might this over-zealous jump to 'racism' have on our ability as a nation to have an honest and realistic discussion about race-related problems in our country?

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Jon
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Message 479 of 578 (752471)
03-11-2015 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 478 by AZPaul3
03-11-2015 3:45 PM


Re: Is America Racism Happy?
What's with the video? There are certainly real instance of racism.
That doesn't mean all accusations of racism are true.
All we can do is listen and learn on a human level.
One side doing all the talking and one side doing all the listening does not a discussion make.

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Jon
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Message 481 of 578 (752474)
03-11-2015 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 477 by Coyote
03-11-2015 3:32 PM


Re: Is America Racism Happy?
There have been many accusations, and increasing polarization instead.
Yes. Reaching back to my linguistic studies, research has shown that African American Vernacular English (AAVE) and General American English (GAE) have been growing more and more dissimilar, suggesting that our country is becoming increasingly divided on racial grounds.
Whatever's being done is clearly not working.
This serves the interests of a few, but not the country as a whole.
It doesn't even serve the interests of the majority of the black community, but rather a few of its most vocal members who benefit from their time in the spotlight inciting rage and hatred between people of different races.
Everyone else just suffers from the increasing tension, fear, misinformation, and division.

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Jon
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Message 482 of 578 (752475)
03-11-2015 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 480 by Tangle
03-11-2015 4:00 PM


Re: Is America Racism Happy?
One statistic stuck in my head. In this generation a black man in the USA has a 33% chance of finding himself in prison.
And part of an honest discussion involves asking how much of this is related to racism, how much is related to general economic inequality (poverty increases crime) and what role race plays in this, and how much is related to laws criminalizing ridiculous things.
It is important that we correctly identify underlying causes or the problems will never find themselves fixed.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Jon
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Message 485 of 578 (752480)
03-11-2015 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 483 by New Cat's Eye
03-11-2015 4:23 PM


Re: Is America Racism Happy?
If you're the house mom of a frat that has songs dedicated to them not allowing black people, then its not a stretch to think that you laughing and singing a rap song's lyrics stems from racism rather than your love of the genre.
Nonsense.
First, there were never songs dedicated to the fraternity; it was something made up by the kids in that chapter. Their actions were inexcusable but that has little to do with the old woman singing rap songs.
She might be racist, but her singalong video doesn't demonstrate that she is.
And even if she is racist, what of it? People are free to be racists.
If she loses her position as the house mom it should be as much because she let the kids she was supposed to supervise ban black people from their chapter as because she herself might be racist.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Jon
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Message 486 of 578 (752481)
03-11-2015 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 484 by Tangle
03-11-2015 4:38 PM


Re: Is America Racism Happy?
No problem with that as an ideal, but it's hard to avoid a preliminary conclusion that race is a prime indicator.
Perhaps. But I believe statistics that adjust for poverty and similar factors show considerably less racial prejudice regarding arrests and imprisonments. I might be wrong...
These things cannot be ignored.

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Jon
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Message 489 of 578 (752496)
03-11-2015 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 488 by AZPaul3
03-11-2015 7:21 PM


Re: Is America Racism Happy?
But if a majority of them are, does it matter that a few are not?
Of course! What the hell kind of nonsense is this?
And can you even imagine the number of instances of covert racism that are not called out?
Luckily I don't have to. Even in the Coffee House forum, evidence reigns supreme.
Most of us honkies never have, or never want, to take the time to learn, to sit down with your friends and ask the questions, to hear the stories. What surprised me most was, after a number of such talks, I began to notice the instances, some subtle some not, that I would never have noticed before. And when I moved to Arizona I recognized the same instances by whites toward Hispanics and Natives.
I'm sure we'd all appreciate you sharing some specifics on this.
... , you cannot know.
If that's true, then all is hopeless.
You haven't taken the time to learn, you cannot judge.
I'm not judging.
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Jon
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Message 506 of 578 (755377)
04-07-2015 6:46 PM


Another Police Shooting
Bumping 'cause I can:
quote:
"South Carolina Officer is Charged with Murder in Black Man's Death" from :
A white police officer in North Charleston, S.C., was charged with murder on Tuesday after a video surfaced showing him shooting and killing an apparently unarmed black man in the back while he ran away.
The officer, Michael T. Slager, 33, had said he feared for his life because the man took his stun gun in a scuffle after a traffic stop on Saturday. A video, however, shows the officer firing eight times as the man fled. The North Charleston mayor announced the state charges at a news conference Tuesday evening.
Is this murder?
Is this racism?

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Jon
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Message 519 of 578 (755514)
04-09-2015 12:45 AM
Reply to: Message 518 by nwr
04-08-2015 11:35 PM


We have a justice system where prosecutors are rewarded for getting convictions, rather than for getting at the truth.
And that, not racism, is the biggest part of the problem.
Once they've pegged you, you're ready to go to jail unless you've got lots of money to defend yourself.

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Jon
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Message 522 of 578 (755520)
04-09-2015 2:07 AM
Reply to: Message 520 by ramoss
04-09-2015 1:27 AM


One of the problems is that certain minorities are just more likely to be pegged than others.
That problem happens well before the court room.
THe way our current justice department works, a white middle class kid getting caught with pot will be given a slap on the wrist for a first time offense, but it is much more likely that a black kid of the same age would get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for a first time non-violent offense.
It'd be interesting to see statistics that break the matter down at each level: search, arrest, arraignment, conviction.
The proportion of black convictions is higher than white convictions, but what's the proportion of black arrests?
I have a feeling that we would see that once the matter comes to court, skin color doesn't change the statistics as much (granted juries have their own biases), except perhaps for the sentencing. I think at that point what matters most is how much money you have.
If so, it would mean that fixing the problem in the courts requires a different approach than that required for fixing the problem regarding arrest.

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Jon
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Message 525 of 578 (755606)
04-09-2015 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 524 by Faith
04-09-2015 8:18 PM


I did...
Nobody has mentioned the murder of the black man Walter Scott by officer Slager after a routine traffic stop.
Another Police Shooting
It's hard to say whether it was racism or not. More information has been coming to light since the news first broke.
It is almost certain that the cop was 100% in the wrong. If he had any fear for his life, it was certainly misplaced.
But again, it's not clear if his actions were race-motivated.
Edited by Jon, : highlight link

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Jon
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Message 533 of 578 (756010)
04-14-2015 6:52 PM


Open Season?
How much does it cost for the chance to shoot an unarmed black man? Ask insurance company executive Robert Bates; he'll be able to tell you.
quote:
"Tulsa Reserve Deputy who Fatally Mistook Gun for a Taser Turns Himself In" from The Washington Post:
Bates is not a real police officer. He's a reserve sheriff's deputy. And some fear he wasn’t qualified to be one.
...
Bates, who worked for a year as a police officer in 1964-65, served as chairman of the Re-elect Sheriff (Stanley) Glanz Committee in 2012 and donated $2,500 to Glanz's campaign that year.
Okay, so using his gun was a 'mistake' and he was technically only paying for a chance at tasing himself some black folk, but still, what the fuck?

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