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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I've often wondered where prejudices began, the "them vs us" was too simplistic ...
There are several different tests here that cover different biases ... http://politicaltruths.info/...ientific-analysis-racism-read
quote: And I scored about where I expected to be on both race and sexuality, but haven't done the others yet. Don't feel you need to share your results, just whether they came out as expected or not. Maybe try again next year and see if you improve ...? Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... However, my IAT results show that I have a moderate preference for Europeans over Africans. ... I think there is so much low level racism in society that it is very difficult not to absorb some bias.
... Which is worse, conscious or subconscious racism? The first part of solving a problem is recognizing the problem. Then you can work on it, subconscious or not. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
So thinking "safe, safe, safe" around black folk will help me to remember the difference between a Saturday Night Special and a 155 Howitzer? ... More like the difference between a real gun and a toy. The boy in the store shot deadThe boy in the playground shot dead A little more time before jumping to conclusions may have made a difference. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... I do think these tests are looking at automatic responses and not whether we then think about and criticize our own auto responses ... Supposedly they are looking at the time it takes to make the appropriate response, with usual associations being faster. Problem is that one may be more familiar with one side than the other ... is lack of familiarity a bias? I also did the weapons one and got "Your data suggest little or no association between White American and Black American with Harmless Objects and Weapons." This does not surprise me as I just do not see that many people with weapons (and I like it like that). Sure I know people with weapons, but they don't wave them around in public. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If it is the case that the police are shooting more black people waving around guns than they are white people waving around guns, the solution is for them to start shooting more gun-waving white people, not shooting fewer gun-waving black people. You mean like the cap guns I used to have and would pretend shoot at everyone? by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Depends on how real they looked. And on how well you complied with their orders when they asked to inspect the 'weapon'. You really believe that? Video: Cops Shot, Killed 12-Year-Old Two Seconds After Arriving at Park The kid in the park, Tamir Rice, had an "airsoft" bb pistol, the cops shot him dead within seconds of their arrival ... there were no questions asked. There are so many, so many, so many ... it can't be just coincidence. Edited by RAZD, : type of gunby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
and I keep thinking about "Black Like Me"
Black Like Me, 50 Years Later | Arts & Culture|
Smithsonian Magazine may want to read it again ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Looked into it more. Found the following: Good job.
The pistol was by no means clearly fake Correct. ALSO clearly, there had been NO shooting by the kid (or the shooting of bbs was not noticed by anyone - air-guns don't make much noise). As such there was a potential for danger - enough to proceed with caution -- but NO "clear and present danger" for the police to come in with guns blazing.
The report to police claimed he was waving it around. Correct again, and again there were no reported shooting of the gun. It could have been a toy gun, a real gun with no ammo, or a loaded gun that had not yet been fired.
The officer was not very good at his job, and probably shouldn't have been a cop just on the grounds that he was technically unqualified for the position. Indeed. He quit his previous rural police job before being let go, and applied to the big city to "see some action." So he was predisposed to violent response.
These things taken together strongly question whether this incident was motivated by racist sentiments. As the racism test here (that you denigrated and declined to complete?) shows, people, especially white people are likely to have\harbour racist tendencies even when they think they don't. I scored higher on that than I thought I would. One of the things in that test was whether you associated violence with blacks more than with whites. So the question is not whether the policeman was racist but whether he was more inclined to think a black kid had a real pistol than he would think a white kid had a real pistol in a similar situation. I think the answer for a LOT of people to that question is yes, even if they don't think they are racist, but because of news reports associating black kids with crime and shooting more than white kids.
Not all cases of black people being shot are examples of police racism. Not the overt racism of the old south, but the lingering racism embedded in our culture, especially in the culture of fear. I've lived down south and been told by the people there that they've "come a long way" ... but what I saw was that maybe 1 step out of 100 had been taken, that most of it was lip service. One lady told me "I love them, love them to death ... but I just don't want them in my neighborhood." The first part doesn't white-wash the second part. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
But there is a pattern, isn't there? Maybe we should stop talking about anecdotes and start talking about statistics Like the statistics that show a black male is 21 times more likely to be shot by police than a white male in spite of blacks being 12% of the population? The statistics that show that people with lower income are more likely to commit violent crimes and the statistics that show black income is lower than white income? So once you normalize the data by race and income to compare apples to apples I expect that a large portion of the 21 fold kill rate will still be significant. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
As the racism test here (that you denigrated and declined to complete?) shows, people, especially white people are likely to have\harbour racist tendencies even when they think they don't. To be fair, I 'denigrated and declined to complete' it because it was stupid. I think that's a pretty good reason. Except this is just you claiming it without providing substantiation for your position. These are the kinds of answers one gets from cognitive dissonance. Curious that nobody else has your problem with the tests ... they are just indicators of tendencies not results that label you for the rest of your life. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I think that we are missing the point of the OP when we are discussing if this is an overt act of racism or not. The purpose of this thread was to take the tests that were offered and would give you an idea of what your subconscious thoughts on different groups were. In the cases of these police officers, shouldn't we be looking more at the systemic racism than the personal racism of the officers involved? Indeed, the question is not whether specific officers are racist within the police forces, but whether there is a systemic association of blacks with one kind of behavior and whites with a different kind of behavior. It seems to me that across the board on the examples provided that whites are given the benefit of doubt about their actions, while blacks are given the assumption of guilt. This crossed my desk this morning:
Across America, whites are biased and they don’t even know it quote: According to this map I brought the state of RI down a little ... but I still have a 'moderately prefer white' bias, and I'll have to work on that. So there is a large unconscious element of racism in America, and this would apply to the police forces as well as to the general citizens. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I'm surprised how well that map correlates with the population: Indeed. One may almost be forgiven for thinking maybe "familiarity breeds contempt" ... However I also ran across this:
Does the Implicit Association Test (IAT) Really Measure Racial Prejudice? Probably Not. quote: So it appears that we are back to where I started ...
Message 1: I've often wondered where prejudices began, the "them vs us" was too simplistic ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Re: systemic subconcious racial bias rather than overt racism. ... he says, while working assiduously on the much longer post consisting of careful, well-evidenced psychological research, substantiated with data, that proves that the IAT is "crappy". Well, not "crappy" per se so much as that one must be careful of the conclusions reached from the data. As noted in Message 133 further study shows a stronger relationship between "in-group" and "out-group" than it does to racism per se. Of course when your "in-group" is predominantly white and your "out-group" is predominantly black there is a lot of overlap and the in\out division can be due to unconscious bias. Another factor I would like to see studied is poor to not poor and how the perceptions break down on those lines. Personally I would expect them to align as well, especially for conservative watchers of FauxNoiseNutwork. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... As one police chief said, that I heard a while ago on You Tube, the killings they are protesting are tragic and sad, it's too bad they happened, but to blame them on the cops is ridiculous when 80% of the deaths of blacks are caused by blacks in the commission of a crime. Comparing blacks killed by cops to blacks killed by other blacks is a red herring logical fallacy. or even to whites killed by other whites .. why? Because we expect MORE from the police who are there "to protect and serve" and who are purportedly trained to make critical distinctions -- things we do NOT expect of other civilians, whether black or white. It is because they are police and because they are supposed to the long arm of the law, of justice, and of protecting citizens. That is why white people as well as black people are outraged and are participating in these civil demonstrations across the nation. It's not about death, it is about justice and accountability; it is about equality under the law, and respect as human beings. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : oopsby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Faith,
Do you think that this may have something to do with police shooting young black men more than young white men?
Super Predators (April 1, 1999):
quote: The Juvenile Superpredator Myth quote: John DiIulio Retreats From His Super-Predator Theory of Black Teenagers quote: You have to sign up to go further on that post. In other words young black men were branded as inherently dangerous because of a false theory (recanted by the author) which was used to formulate draconian law enforcement policies that are still in effect. Is this racist? Not directly, but it still distinguishes between young black men and young white men and leads to different treatments -- ie the behaviors we have seen talked about on this thread -- by police and law enforcement. I call it a racial bias, that black youth are inherently perceived as more dangerous than their white cohorts ... don't you? and because of a false theory that still rebounds in law enforcement circles. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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