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ooh-child
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Message 264 of 578 (744864)
12-16-2014 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by Faith
12-16-2014 12:43 PM


Re: "Black Lives Matter"
I don't know what sort of additional evidence could possibly change the facts that came out...
How about the witness who probably lied about being at the scene of the shooting? Is that evidence that you should consider?
"Witness 40": Exposing A Fraud In Ferguson | The Smoking Gun
"The grand jury witness who testified that she saw Michael Brown pummel a cop before charging at him like a football player, head down, is a troubled, bipolar Missouri woman with a criminal past who has a history of making racist remarks and once insinuated herself into another high-profile St. Louis criminal case with claims that police eventually dismissed as a complete fabrication, The Smoking Gun has learned.
Sandra McElroy did not provide police with a contemporaneous account of the Brown-Wilson confrontation, which she claimed to have watched unfold in front of her as she stood on a nearby sidewalk smoking a cigarette.
Instead, McElroy waited four weeks after the shooting to contact cops. By the time she gave St. Louis police a statement on September 11, a general outline of Wilson’s version of the shooting had already appeared in the press. McElroy’s account of the confrontation dovetailed with Wilson’s reported recollection of the incident."
So does that change your opinion Faith? She wasn't interviewed at the scene, we don't even know that she was there at the time (probably wasn't), and she has a history of lying. Credible, do you think?

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ooh-child
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Message 267 of 578 (744869)
12-16-2014 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by Faith
12-16-2014 1:26 PM


Re: "Black Lives Matter"
Sounds to me like her testimony shouldn't count. What else would you like to know?
So, shouldn't that be a question handled in a trial? See, that's what people are asking for, a regular jury trial.

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ooh-child
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Message 269 of 578 (744876)
12-16-2014 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by Faith
12-16-2014 2:05 PM


Re: "Black Lives Matter"
why is this information coming out now?
Maybe because this testimony was presented to a prosecutor's Grand Jury, and the prosecutor has a vested interest in keeping the police happy.
Maybe because a Grand Jury is inherently secret, so this woman had to be investigated by outside sources since all we knew at the time she was 'witness 40'.
Maybe because the prosecutor had no reason to bring up this woman's questionable history, & every reason to hide it.

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ooh-child
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Message 273 of 578 (744880)
12-16-2014 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by Faith
12-16-2014 2:22 PM


Re: "Black Lives Matter"
I hate that kind of conspiratorial thinking.
Oh my, this is rich, really.
Faith, you are an original conspiracy thinker!

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ooh-child
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Message 278 of 578 (744885)
12-16-2014 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Faith
12-16-2014 2:34 PM


Re: "Black Lives Matter"
I don't believe it's practical to recall a GJ once they have rendered a decision. I'm not a lawyer; does anyone have any cases like this?
I do believe there are other government agencies investigating. Would you support more inquiry, possibly DOJ involvment, here Faith?

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ooh-child
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Message 284 of 578 (744894)
12-16-2014 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by Faith
12-16-2014 3:20 PM


Re: "Black Lives Matter"
Holder reminded the public that despite the Grand Jury decision, a separate Department of Justice investigation is ongoing.
Holder: Despite Grand Jury Decision Not Indict, DOJ Investigation Into Ferguson Case Still Ongoing
So you would support an ongoing investigation by the DOJ?

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ooh-child
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Message 287 of 578 (744899)
12-16-2014 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Faith
12-16-2014 5:13 PM


Re: "Black Lives Matter"
Nope, hers was the only story that 'dovetailed' with Wilson's account. With her dubious character & a prosecutor unwilling to highlight any discrepencies with her statements, it was left to the GJ to suss out any problems with her testimony.
The other witness' statements you reference are 'consistent with Wilson's testimony', according to sources. I'll bet those sources are linked to the prosecutor's office. That only tells us one side - again, more reason to have a trial where witnesses are identified & cross examined. It's so easy for this prosecutor to lead the witnesses - we all know about the 'ham sandwich' joke.

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