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Message 430 of 578 (746496)
01-07-2015 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 429 by Faith
01-07-2015 12:02 PM


Re: learned, internalized, automatic, unconscious ... can it be changed?
Faith, what conclusions can we draw about the Chicago Police Department if the facts are as they are alleged to be in this report?
CPD Traffic Stops and Resulting Searches in 2013 | ACLU of Illinois

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Message 435 of 578 (746523)
01-07-2015 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 431 by Faith
01-07-2015 2:50 PM


Re: learned, internalized, automatic, unconscious ... can it be changed?
Faith writes:
If it is known that blacks and Hispanics are more often involved in criminal activities of certain kinds than, say, whites or Asians, then it is simply common sense, realistic judgment of the probabilities, to suspect them.
Apparently you didn't read all of it. Let me show you some of it.
Searches of vehicles by consent (1,390 times). CPD was over four times more likely to search black and Hispanic motorists, compared to white motorists (4.74 and 4.09 times). See Exh. 3. CPD was about twice as likely to find contraband when they searched white motorists, compared to black and Hispanic motorists (2.1 and 1.86 times). See Exh. 4. (The points in this paragraph were part of the ACLU’s August 2014 published report about consent searches of cars throughout Illinois.)
Searches of vehicles by non-consent (2,421 times). CPD was far more likely to search black and Hispanic motorists compared to white motorists (3.42 and 4.82 times). See Exh. 6. CPD was far more likely to find contraband when they searched white motorists, compared to black and Hispanic motorists (1.76 and 1.51 times). See Exh. 7.
Searches of drivers by consent (1,597 times). CPD was far more likely to search black and Hispanic drivers compared to white motorists (4.9 and 4.46 times). See Exh. 8. White motorists were slightly less likely than black motorists to be caught with contraband (0.94 times), and were more likely than Hispanic motorists to be caught with contraband (1.34). See Exh. 9.
Searches of drivers by non-consent (2,668 times). CPD was far more likely to search black and Hispanic motorists compared to white motorists (3.72 and 5.22 times). See Exh. 10. CPD was far more likely to find contraband when they searched white motorists, compared to black and Hispanic motorists (1.65 and 2.70 times). See Exh. 11.
My emphasis.
Since the facts show that whites are more likely to be involved in criminal activity than blacks, by your reasoning they should be searching whites at a higher rate than blacks. How do you account for higher rates of searching blacks, considering the actual facts?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 440 of 578 (746578)
01-08-2015 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 439 by Faith
01-08-2015 11:07 AM


Re: learned, internalized, automatic, unconscious ... can it be changed?
You still haven't addressed the evidence of institutionalized racism in the Chicago Police Department.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 447 of 578 (746609)
01-08-2015 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 441 by Faith
01-08-2015 11:43 AM


Re: ThtaT'Re: learned, internalized, automatic, unconscious ... can it be changed?
What you have failed to explain is why blacks are stopped and searched more often when the facts show that whites are more likely to be found with contraband. If you don't see that as evidence for institutionalized racism, what other explanation do you offer? Or do you simply ignore the facts?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 450 of 578 (746613)
01-08-2015 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 449 by Faith
01-08-2015 2:18 PM


Re: ThtaT'Re: learned, internalized, automatic, unconscious ... can it be changed?
That may be the most confusing thing you've ever said here.
Try again, but take out all of the "they"s and "them"s, otherwise nobody knows who or what you are talking about.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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