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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined:
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Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka? No. You like to talk about Canada so you should know that wearing these is a protected right.
Canada has not had a lot of problems to date. A few Honor killings when the young have refused to dress in the traditional way. I think that I would vote with the vast majority just to end Canadian Honor killings. Murder is already illegal in Canada even when it's honor killings. Here's a good example : Shafia family murders I also see this as a safety issue in the sense that in a nation where so many do a lot of driving, to add blind spots caused by head and face wear seems like a poor idea. Do you totally ban alcohol or do you ban drunk driving? What about banning driving when you can't see around you. No need to target a religious group for that.
To be frank though, I see Christianity and Islam as homophobic and misogynous religions Seeing your posting history here, we already knew that.
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: |
Quebec is not a very good representation of Canada. They've even tried to leave Canada (and currently still try) at varying levels recently and throughout history. Since the majority voted against it twice and the current level of support is under 40%, please don't include us all in your definition of Quebec. I certainly don't fall into that category.
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined:
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They ticket for cellphones as dangerous and head and face apparel that creates blind spots are also dangerous to the public. You should notice that cellphones are still legal in Canada. What's illegal is driving while using your cellphone with your hands. If this is an argument to ban the niqab, it's a really bad one.
Canadian culture and values are the men and women are equal. That is not the Islamic way and for us to allow the oppression of women is not the Canadian way. Canadian culture is aslo one of being open to different cultures. We have laws against discrimination. I also notice that you completely forget your argument about honor killings. Why is that? It seems we have everything in place to prevent (or punish) what you're fearing. Please stop. Not all muslims men are oppressors and not all muslims women are oppressed, even if they wear a hijab or a niqab.
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined:
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You totally misread RAZD.
Under Harper, muslims were targets of discrimination, mainly by people like you who felt endorsed by the position of the government.
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: |
My position is led by my own thinking and listening to Muslim women. You mean... like us? I worked closely with a muslim woman who wore the hijab. In fact she was my superior at that time. She's a wonderful woman who I can tell you wasn't inferior to any man, not even her husband. I heard her talk to him on the phone, trust me when I say she didn't sound like a slave.
You will note that the Canadian government is not in favor of what I propose. No shit! You propose to destroy the Charter of Rights!
I recognize why the Liberals chose to put getting elected ahead of opening up this can of worms at the present time but hope they just lied about what they truly believe and step up to insuring that all Muslim women share in the freedoms that good Canadians have died for to give us. You realize Justin Trudeau is the son of former Prime Minister Pierre-Elliot Trudeau, the father of the Charter of Rights...right? Are you telling us you would prefer a lying government to some women who chose to wear a piece of clothing? And you're the same person who suggested we should see a doctor...
Free people do not tolerate slavery in their land. Even if the slave says she is freely giving up her freedom. If she wishes to act like a slave, let her emigrate where men enjoy and promote ownership of women and slavery. That is not in Canada. You want to suppress their rights and call yourself anti-slavery. Now that is certainly NOT Canada. Oh and a reminder (again)... You were talking about honor killings remember?
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: |
How is it related to the topic of banning the niqab? Why don't you focus on your own topic?
Every moral legal system I know of in the West and most of the non- Islamic world begins with equality for all. Equality also means that everyone has the right to wear what they want.
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined:
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Consider you wish granted because you know what? They arleady have the right to wear it (niqab, hijab, burka) or not. It's their choice.
What do you want to change again?
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: |
Repeat after me : Canada
You were talking about Canada remember? How does making the niqab illegal in Canada would change the lives of women in other countries? Please stick to your own topic.
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: |
But Canada IS a leading example! Everyone as the RIGHT to choose what they want to wear. Again, you and radical fundamentalist muslims are on the same playing field : oppression. You are what you want to eliminate.
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined:
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On the contrary, you want to remove a choice for them. You're the slave owner in your story.
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: |
In a sense, we are all slaved to the law of the land and the state gives us all equality under the law. That equality is what I wish to replace the oppression of Muslim women with. Equality under the laws also means that a woman can choose whatever she wants to wear even if you don't like it. We have law against discrimination and oppression.
You do believe in equality. Right? Yes, it's sad that you don't though...
Do Muslim women deserve the freedom from oppression that the state gives you? They're already free from it in Canada. Sorry, better luck next time.
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: |
There are men who want the right to be pedophiles. Niqab = Pedophilia. I'll have to remember that. Can you elaborate? The pedophile hurts the the child he uses for his desires. How does the niqab hurt the woman who choose to wear it? You're like the fundamentalists when they say that gay marriage = making pedophilia legal.
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: |
Only the smallest of minds would have put that = sign in that statement. Now you're left with insults... thanks! At least we know you don't have an argument.
It was not me. It was you who brought pedophilia in the discussion remember. Let's review your "argument"...
ringo writes: I want to protect the rights of Muslim WOMEN to wear what THEY decide. I quoted a woman who WANTS to wear they hijab but YOU would prevent her. you writes: Every law has people on either side of it and every law discriminates negatively against one of the sides. There are men who want the right to be pedophiles. Pretty clear cut to me, you equate the desire to wear a niqab to men wanting the right to be pedophiles.
The wearing of the apparel in question and the harm done is spoken of by a Muslim woman in the link I put in the O.P.. No, the oppression hurts her, not the apparel. You've been shown a testimony of a woman who wants to wear it. Is she a masochist?
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined:
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The majority SHOULD rule, that's part of the American Constitution too, if anybody cares. Not when it comes to the rights of a minority. Did you know that in 1967, when interracial marriage was made legal everywhere in the US, over 70% of the population was against it? Edited by Bliyaal, : No reason given.
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2399 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined:
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No. She is a slave to a culture, tradition and or religion and insulting anyone who lives in a free country. She may as well be wearing a slave collar. And now you have the power to be in her head? Beside, a country isn't free if she's not free to exercise her religion as she wants as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. The niqab doesn't hurt anyone, including her.
Then you are an idiot as no one indicated such an idiocy. More insults! But yes in the end you indicated such an idiocy.
I just gave an example of immoral people who would want to enact immoral laws. You brought pedophilia as an example of a right we should deny like we should deny the right to wear a niqab thus equating them.
You went for a cheap and false point and just seem like a fool. And you went for a cheap and false analogy and got caught. Who's the fool? To deny a right to someone, like limiting the driving speed (another bad analogy you used), you must have good reasons like you know... protecting people from injuries or death. Is is the piece of clothing a serious problem or is it the abusive man forcing her? We know the answer, it's the man. Why don't you focus on the real problem instead of the false image you made up in your head?
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