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herebedragons Member (Idle past 886 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
Do you know what an internet troll is?
An internet troll is someone who posts just to provoke an emotional response from other members. Is that what you are doing? If so... stop! It's nonsense, unproductive and unbecoming of a professing Christian. HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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CRR Member (Idle past 2271 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
Percy writes:
Except that I read your link and while the quote is an extract from the 5 pages it is representative of what Ruse said, and as such is not quote mining. Ruse's quotes from Stephen J Gould continue to reinforce the theme that many evolutionists give religious overtones to the theory of evolution
Except that Michael Ruse objects to being quote-mined like this.quote: Ruse did qualify it toward the end by saying
quote: Ruse wrote what he wrote. The quote is fair.
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CRR Member (Idle past 2271 days) Posts: 579 From: Australia Joined: |
There is no reason why a person who accepts evolutionary theory as the best explanation of how life on earth came to be so diverse can't also believe in miracles.
Do you believe in miracles?Which ones?
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
God arranged to have his Word recorded in written form to preserve its accuracy down through the centuries. That's your fallible interpretation.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Human intelligence is infallible? I didn't know that! Nor does Ringo, because he didn't claim that. He never claimed all errors are corrected and ,of course, if human intelligence were infallible there wouldn't be any errors to correct.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dredge writes: God arranged to have his Word recorded in written form to preserve its accuracy down through the centuries. Yet what was written down is filled with fallacies, contradictions, absurdities and records an evil, mean, not all that bright God. If God wanted accuracy you would think he could do better than what is recorded in the Bible.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
So... you think God created some species of animal and it thrived for a time and then died out so God created a new species that was very similar to the original species but had some modifications, but that also died out after a number of years, so God tried again... and again... and again... until he finally hit upon a suitable design - and those are our modern species All in a few thousand years. But wait... didn't all those animal exist at the time of the Fludde?
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Except that I read your link and while the quote is an extract from the 5 pages it is representative of what Ruse said, and as such is not quote mining. Eminent biologist hits back at the creationists who 'hijacked' his theory for their own ends Did you read that link? Do you know better than him what he meant?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
But using the "starting point" of a young earth is no worse than using evolution as a starting point, which is what most atheists do. There is evidence for one "starting point" but not for the other. In fact, the evidence flatly contradicts a young earth.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Dredge writes: I can't accept that Gould would not consider "sudden appearance" and "stasis" to be evidence of creation. If not "sudden appearance" and "stasis", then one wonders, what would he consider to be evidence of creation? A few off the top of my head: A rabbit in Cambrian strata.A species with a mixture of bird and mammal features. A mammal with many genes that have nearly 100% homology to jellyfish, but a lack of those same genes in other mammals.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It makes no difference who or what inspired the writings. All writings are subject to the failures of human understanding.
Except writings inspired by God Himself.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Duplicate
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Demons and Satan are also not literal. Notice how you have to make up rules like, "They can't speak in an audible voice," which is just as silly as snakes that can speak in an audible voice.
As I have already explained in a previous post, it would seem that demons, or Satan, are not capable of "speaking" to humans in an audible voice.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Written accounts are just as prone to error: copying errors, mistranslation, outright redaction.... the list goes on and on. The difference between oral and written transmission is that the errors in the written version are easier to detect. We ca see what King James' translators did to their "originals" but we have no recordings of Moses telling bedtime stories to his grandchildren. If you want to claim that one method is better than the other you should choose oral because the evidence of the changes has been lost.
God arranged to have his Word recorded in written form to preserve its accuracy down through the centuries. An oral method wouldn't work as it would be very prone to mistakes when being passed from one person to the next. Dredge writes:
But the Christians didn't. They had a lot of axes to grind.
The Jews went to extreme lenghts to ensure that each and every word was accurately copied from one Bible copy to the next. Dredge writes:
I didn't say that. I said it's correctable, even self-correcting, if you like. Intelligence is the ability to learn, to recognize mistakes and not make the same mistakes over and over again. Human intelligence is infallible? It's the opposite of literalism. Intelligence recognizes that there are errors in the Bible. Literalists try to twist reality to fit the errors.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
All writings are subject to the failures of human understanding. Except those inspired by God.
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