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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jaywill writes: Man needs to be BORN ANEW because his innermost being is separated from God. "Let the dead bury their own dead" shows that Christ regarded fallen men as both dead and dying. Sorry if you refuse to realize that the whole Bible is one unified revelation. And once again you simply try to change the subject, moved the goal posts, palm the pea, con the rubes and misdirect attention in the vain hope folk won't notice your song and dance routine is flawed. The Bible is not one unified revelation and the evidence to support that conclusion is overwhelming. In fact there is no such thing as "The Bible" since there are many Christian Canons, the smallest including only the first five books of the Bible and excluding all of the New Testament and the largest including over eighty books. Reality shows that the Bible really is not one unified revelation at all. And it still has nothing to do with the topic or the content of Genesis 2&3.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Revelation is not Genesis 2&3.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jaywill writes: And an ape gave birth to a human who all came from a rock by accident by a 100 trillion lucky mistakes. Yet another utterly stupid misrepresentation of anyone other than Creationists position. Humans are apes. No one thinks all living things came from a rock by accident or lucky mistakes. Before you post more really stupid stuff it might help if you tried to actually learn about the subject. And once again, it seems you are simply trying to change the subject, palm the pea, con the rubes and sell more snake oil. Your misrepresentation has nothing to do with the topic.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The topic is Christianity and the End Times.
As a Christian I don't think there will ever be any End Times during the period humans exist unless Fundamentalist Theists actually cause the total destruction of humanity. I do think right now the greatest threat to humanity is Fundamental Christianity since that is the only group who actually have the capability of destroying mankind and who seem to be actively working towards that goal by choosing to join the Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty. As long as there is a large body of (particularly American) Fundamentalist Christians that oppose Science, oppose Evolution, that base their worldview on Dogma as opposed to Evidence we will live under the threat of destruction. There will never be a "Second Coming" as marketed by the Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty, never be an Rapture" or "End Times" as they try to market, but should they ever achieve political power they certainly can create the destruction of all humanity and much if not all life on Earth.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The End Times theology is simply another example of the total disconnect from reality and evidence based decision making that is the primary defining characteristic of Fundamentalism whether Christian or Muslim or Hindu or Buddhist or Atheist. They are all the very same threat.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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jaywill writes: Ah, Take all your problems to Mars, start over again and see if you have any better success. Look for another planet to do a Human Race 2.0. No one has ever done genocide better than Christianity.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: That is a very dangerous lie you keep repeating. Yet no one has ever shown any evidence that what I post is not the truth and there is overwhelming evidence that Christianity was spread primarily by force; physical, economic and political force. Other religions were banned, other peoples were forced to leave, other customs and languages banned, sacred sites defaced or stolen. Every religion of the New World was destroyed.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: You exaggerate immensely even though the supposed force you are talking about isn't even Christianity but Roman Catholicism. Roman Catholics are Christians but Protestants were even more effective at Genocide. Ever Native American belif system was suppressed as well as languages, cultures and sacred sites. It was ethnic cleansing on a scale never before seen.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Did Protestant never come to the New World?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Except for the fact that in the story the serpent still tells the truth while the God does not.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: The jury of reality is still out on whether the book is warning us not to forget the God Who created and sustains us in favor of our own fallible wisdom and attempt to live a life guided by our own evidence-based progress.
If you wish to continue worshiping Coyote and Loki then that's fine but stop pretending they are not your God.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I acknowledge the evidence including the fact that the serpent in Genesis 2&3 told the truth and the God in Genesis 2&3 lied.
YOU are the one who posted "The jury of reality is still out on whether the book is warning us not to forget the God Who created and sustains us in favor of our own fallible wisdom and attempt to live a life guided by our own evidence-based progress." YOU are relying solely on YOUR fallible wisdom and ignoring the evidence which is exactly what Loki and Coyote promote. If you are not guided by evidence then you must be guided by human wisdom, unless of course, you can provide evidence of any other source.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Not only do you acknowledge it, you deify it. Bullshit Phat. Please present the evidence that I deify any evidence. Do you even know what deify means?
Phat writes: I am relying on the Spirit which lives within me. Reality is not always obvious nor evident. Call me crazy. Sometimes I feel as if I am. The God that you market, however, likely doesn't care what I believe but only on what I do. And how can you know anything about the Spirit which lives within you (whatever that even means) except through your own human fallible wisdom? While reality may not always be obvious or evident (for example magicians tricks) there are many cases where reality is obvious and evident. It's obvious and evident that what is written in a story is what is written in that story. And how can anyone tell what someone actually believes other than by what they do?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jaywill writes: So I ask you again. Who in human history do you think displayed more of a sober minded grasp of proper priorities on reasoning, ethics, morality, and human purpose than Jesus Christ ? If you actually read the Bible accounts of Jesus it would be hard to claim he showed a sober minded grasp of proper priorities on reasoning, ethics, morality, and human purpose. He does exhibit normal human characteristics like humor, anger, petulance, regret and selfishness. And few if any of his assertions on morality or ethics were new or not simply assertions made hundreds of years earlier by the Buddha, Confucius, Mencius and Lao Tzu.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes:
Perhaps you revere evidence. You hold it in reverence.1.Revere-feel deep respect or admiration for (something). You feel deep respect or admiration. But for what? Logic, reason, and reality that youhave cultivated? That you earned? Perhaps you venerate evidence. 1.regard with great respect; revere. Essentially, I am asserting that you hold logic, reason, and reality (your own that YOU have earned and cultivated) in high regard. That is utterly stupid Phat. Logic, reason & reality are not things someone owns or cultivates. They are universal tools and facts. What you posit is as silly as saying I revere a hammer.
Phat writes: If by this you mean how can we know anything about ourselves except through our own perceptions, I am pointing out that you venerate ...you feel deep respect and admiration--for human wisdom within yourself and others. It is evident that you respect your own arguments or you wouldnt cling to them and make them repeatedly. I may well ask you how can you not know anything about the Spirit which lives within you? And once again, I would ask what the hell does the Spirit that lives within me even mean? What makes you think I revere human wisdom within yourself and others over (what other kind of wisdom could there be than human wisdom; trying to find the word, OH, yes, fantasy) unsupported belief? Should I prefer unsupported belief over supported and evidenced beliefs?
Phat writes: So tell me this---if you had to revere one character over another, would you revere the character telling the truth or would you revere the character lying? Neither Phat. They are characters, plot devices in the story. They have no reality beyond being plot devices in the story.
Phat writes: Thus, you reassert your argument that Jesus was simply human...nothing more or less. No Phat, I do not make that argument, I point out what the authors of the Bible stories wrote.
Phat writes: So getting back to my question:if you had to revere one character over another, would you revere the character telling the truth or would you revere the character lying? Then you can explain to us why you revere the snake. Or show us the evidence why you do not revere the snake...because you certainly don't revere God. And it's on you to show us the evidence that you do. And there you go once again simply misrepresenting what I have posted. Stop and try to think Phat. See if you can figure out how you are misrepresenting what I post. If you can figure that out then ask yourself WHY you constantly misrepresent what others post? (HINT, I explain just above how you are misrepresenting my positions, see if you can find it.)
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