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simple  Inactive Member |
a scientific theory is an explanation of several related natural phenomena nevertheless it is a set of ideas that ammount to in many peoples opinion, also backed by science, a godless religion which is not to be forced.
(facts/empirical observations) they do study those things in public school Study free will all you want, don't try to force feed your one sided self declared wonderments on kids when it ammounts to an assault on faith.
and many people believe that earth is flat Why, would some want to force that on us too?
what i do care about are young minds that will some day find So we should prohibit prayer, and the bible, and teaching our kids according to Godly science. I can see why you'd be uptight here.
a cure for cancer, cure aids, go to the moon, make a funny superbowl ad, run for president, etc...my students acheiving their dreams is my goal. for that, they need a well-rounded education
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simple  Inactive Member |
Do you think forcing people to bow down and worship a rock would be harmful? Or having to deny their faith at the door of the school? It wouldn't kill them, but, like godless science, and education that is godless, it's not something a parent of a christian child would desire to be forced to do.
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simple  Inactive Member |
why do you believe it is harmful and wrong see last post
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
nevertheless it is a set of ideas that ammount to in many peoples opinion, also backed by science, a godless religion which is not to be forced. Science is not a religion. Religion is revelatory. Knowledge in religion stems from God through chosen prophets. Prophets don't choose themselves - there's no training or schooling in the world that can make God dictate the next book of the Bible to you. Science is participatory. Anybody can do it. All it takes is some study in order to catch up to everybody else, and you're on your way. If you don't like the conclusions of scientists it's entirely possible to analyze the data and come up with your own. If I don't agree with the statements of a prophet, what recourse do I have? And how do I tell the difference between a "prophet" and a "liar"? These are not problems science has. What rituals are performed in science? What observances are held? What churches exist for Science? These are common - many would say required - features of religion. Science has none of these. You can say that science is a religion all you like, but saying it doesn't make it true. Science is religion-neutral.
So we should prohibit prayer, and the bible, and teaching our kids according to Godly science. There's no such thing. That is, if by "Godly science" you mean "rejecting any and all data that conflicts with the accounts in the Bible." That would not be science. That would be self-deception. And why should we teach only Godly science? What about Muslim science? Or Vedic science? Or Buddist science? Why are you so Christian-centric? America is a society of religious plurality. Your push to have God - and only God - in the classroom is simply un-American.
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simple  Inactive Member |
What kind of religion you have! You talk so much of love yet this is the future for us I don't think He'd dream of trampling anyone who didn't activly try to fight Him. For the kids, and Christians it's the Calvary coming to save us. At least He's not just going to bomb a village, or town, or restarant, and not care who's in there!
non-Christians? Trampled by Jesus' army bent on conquiring the world by violence?
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simple  Inactive Member |
Gee, my Buddhist friends might have a problem with you indoctrinating their children in a religion I'd vote to let'm learn what they like, but if you can't respect the majority as being Christian, then just don't make it mandatory!
that they do not follow.
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simple  Inactive Member |
No, the "fact" doesn't stand that they were all Christians, as you have claimed I didn't say "all".
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simple  Inactive Member |
I don't normally pick on spelling and grammar errors because we all make them from time to time, fair enough. granted I am guilty. So do I have to see kids shot up with ritilin, so they can be numbed into listening to that godless education now as a result of spelling errors?
but I just couldn't resist pointing out the numerous examples you made in the light of your blanket criticisms of science
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simple  Inactive Member |
Show that ToE is AntiGod show me in Darwinism where God is? Can you point out how evolution embraces God in some way, and His written account of Orgins? Perhaps I never looked into it close enough.
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simple  Inactive Member |
i thought of an analogy for this whole thread Thanks for the story. Any point you'd like a comment on?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
show me in Darwinism where God is? Can you point out how evolution embraces God in some way, and His written account of Orgins? Well hell, I don't think Huckleberry Finn "embraces" the Genesis account, except as a metaphor or myth at some point, but I don't think that makes it "anti-God", do you? Isn't it possible to be religion-neutral to you?
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
show me in Darwinism where God is? Show me where in my TV remote instruction manual God is. Is it anti God? Darwin, in fact, in "The Origin of Species"
quote: Which is both your mention of God and is explicit in saying that the living things are works of God and warns about the kind of thing you are doing to Christianity. It is after all a scientific work. You would not find such references today. This is not because they are anti God (remember that about 40% of scientists are believers) but because like my TV remote manual it is not relevant. I am very sure you never looked at it close enough. It is a surprisingly good read. It is however more than a century out of date now and there are much better explanations of current theory. [This message has been edited by NosyNed, 02-07-2004]
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simple  Inactive Member |
I wanted evidence for your claim that the bible was "the oldest book". why do you think Adam had some reading lined up, when he was done meeting Eve? If you know of a more ancient writing go ahead, share it.
The problem is belief, but not in God, in the Bible At least you come out and have a clear position.
No, it is the afterlife that I don't think much of If I was raised in a public school, I would probably share your view.
Like I asked, provide the "results" (you know numbers, statistics, etc), or at least a (Regarding drugs, etc,) Things are in a state of decay that is I think a result of having no God in education. In History, in biology, in science, in everything, not to mention music! When you toss out God, and truth, and beauty, and prayer, you destroy the foundation. If there is no God, no right or wrong, why not bring a gun to school? Who is to say it is wrong? Why not take drugs (in addition to the ones the make you take)? Why not marry a monkey? Or why not be a cannibal? ( Or act like Sodom & Gommorah?) Unless you have a God, who is to say you are more right than I? Or your idea is true? Everything is equal, all lifestyles, murdering young unborn children, or anything. It's the survival of the fittest! May the best man win! see what I'm getting at? Throw out the rule giver, and there goes the rules.
line of reasoning for this claim.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Throw out the rule giver, and there goes the rules. Funny, then, that atheists (while accounting for about 5-10% of Americans) constitute less than 1% of the prison population, and that it's Christians who lead the country in getting divorces... We're getting off-topic.
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simple  Inactive Member |
Well hell, I don't think Huckleberry Finn "embraces" the Genesis account, except as a metaphor I don't have to pay taxes to Mark Twain. And a good novel is a little different than a forced labotomy. Or a forced education neutered of the Savior.
or myth at some point, but I don't think that makes it "anti-God", do you?
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