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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know anything about any of that, but of course it depends on all kinds of things you are leaving out, such as how much and for what purpose. Either side can go too far. The environmentalists can destroy the economy of the country, keep us dependent on other nations, put people out of work and so on, by going too far in their concern for the enironment, and those who want to preserve the economy can go too far in failing to take care of the environment. Both sides are extremely important and this needs to be discussed with concern for both.
In any case what I said is right: you described the Left very nicely in the previous post. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Read through some of your recent posts: You are the champion at giving empty opinion without support.
Yeah it would be nice if I followed the news better I suppose but I was making a general point that doesn't need to be more precise.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Who cares? Again you leave out the important issues: to what extent and to what purpose.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
People up to no good who want to manipulate others are very good at describing things to obscure their real meaning, leaving out crucial information about the extent and the purpose for instance. You're very good at that but you should not be proud of it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I agree, we can't take in everyone who wants to come here. However, we can take in a lot more than we are currently taking in, and do so fairly and compassionately. Not under the current lawless situation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh blithering nonsense. The Left is scaring people to death for no reason.
We don't need hysterical rhetoric, we need people to calm down and think. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Another bit of hysterical nonsense. Does the Left ever stop and think about anything?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I deny the idiotic hysteria. Trump identified a real problem and proposed real solutions which the Left has done nothing but obstruct.
The hysteria about climate change is based on no clear understanding of cause and would just destr4oy everything in its irrational zeal. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It takes a politically motivated blindness not to recognize the evidence. You might take a look at Michelle Malkin's book though. See blurb in Message 130
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Go to the "humor" thread and look at the people sitting on the wall.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's not passion, that's blind fingerpointing hysteria, and the pain you mention is manufactured by her elders who don't have the sense to give the next generation hope for their future, especially since nobody really knows anything about the causes of climate change. It's so easy to blame people on the other side of the political fence. This is really unconscionable.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh I do care indeed, but I do NOT think the causes of all these things are all that clear, and we do NOT need politically motivated hysteria. Lots of theories, nothing all that clear. And policies designed to improve the environment often have the effect of putting people out of work. That's not greed, that's ordinary human need. And there are lots of other problems that need to be taken into account before a heavy-handed "solution" is imposed on us.
Would you please give a brief synopsis of each of your links since I can't read them? Thank you. Oh, and I'd appreciate a brief sketch of what you think needs to be done. Thank you again. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I want to understand what is killing so many birds. That shouldn't be too hard to explain. And what this Great Extinction is in general, and why you think it's about climate change and what you think the cause of climate change really is. Look, there is science and there is science. This kind of science can't be as hard and fast as you all present it as being. There are always going to be unknown factors you can't take into account.
You wouldn't understand the science or acknowledge the facts as other than leftist liberal propaganda meant to degrade your great christian stewardship of this planet. OK I overreacted to that girl. It just sounded like another attack on people who care about the economic condition of the US in particular, just another attack on Trump and on his followers as morally wrong while the Left sees itself as Oh So Compassionate and morally More Righteous Than Thou on the Right. No, this polarization has to stop. I care a lot about what happens to the planet and accusing conservatives of caring only about money gets me upset and angry. Trump wants to keep people working and make us independent of Saudi oil among other things and he's succeeded in that, but instead of appreciating that achievement the Left accuses him of not caring about the environment. There has to be some way to see both sides of this without all this fingerpointing.
a brief sketch of what you think needs to be done. You and the rest of the right are a lost cause but for everyone else the most important thing to do first is to acknowledge that the problem is real and, as much as a layman can, understand the science behind the facts. The problem is that, really, truly, there are others with good scientific credentials, who explain it all in different ways. If all you do is call them charlatans and the Right stupid we aren't going to be taking you seriously. We can't. Again, this kind of science cannot be as completely reliable as you think it is. And when the solutions proposed put people out of work, make us dependent on our enemies for resources that we happen to have plenty of if the Left wasn't always preventing us from making use of them, and threaten to turn the US into a third world swamp, ESPECIALLY when we know there are elements on the Left that simply ideologically irrationally hate America and couldn't care less about all these issues REALLY, and you won't hear OUR side of it, there is going to continue to be conflict that maybe doesn't have to exist as it does. ISN'T IT POSSIBLE TO THINK ABOUT THIS WITHOUT ALL THE FINGERPOINTING POLARIZATION?
After that then steep carbon offsets and major investments in renewables can be instituted along with the social and personal lifestyle changes required, recognizing that this, if adopted en masse, will only keep things from getting even worse than the inevitable destruction we have already pissed into the system for the next 200+ years. Given the politics of the world today I am not optimistic. Unfortunately we may have already passed a tipping point and the Holocene Extinction will continue and may include H. Sapiens in the death toll in the next 10,000 years. You are right if you think I don't understand a word of any of that. It's about as obscure as it could possibly get. I'm concerned about how such thinking can lead to destroying the American economy and making us a sitting duck for our enemies. Does THIS matter at all to you? BUT I DO CARE ABOUT THE PLANET TOO. Stop accusing me. Tell that girl to stop accusing people who do care of trying to make her life miserable.
But, hey, no one I know or love is going to be around to suffer the slow agonizing death of our species over the next few millennia so as long as my chardonnay is properly chilled who cares? I care a lot about the world my grandkids are going to inherit. I don't want them to be under a Leftist dictator OR living in a destroyed world. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm not doubting that we may be experiencing an unusual level of extinctions although I reject the whole idea of the Geological Time Scale with its supposed extinctions or explosions or anything else, since I don't think it has anything to do with history. We could be experiencing an unusual level of extinctions now in any case. I may have other explanations for it, and in fact explanations not shared by others on the Right or other Christians either for that matter, but it should be possible to recognize if creatures are going extinct in great numbers and think about why.
And how much of this Extinction Event is what you are talking about as the big environmental problem threatening the planet? AbE: If extinction is occurring at a rapid rate these days, it's going to go a lot faster according to my way of thinking than according to the idea of Time Periods since there's no way we have thousands of years left. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
IF THE PERSON IS ALREADY LEGALLY IN THE COUNTRY. OUR COURTS AREN'T USED TO JUDGE CASES IN OTHER COUNTRIES>
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