Charismatic Chaos

But I don't pick just Matt 25 and you and I have discussed this repeatedly. The Bible is filled with contradictory writings and ambiguous writings and some facts and lots of fantasy.And again, I have to wonder how you can so consistently misrepresent my position.If anyone is saved it will be solely through Grace. But Grace through Faith has absolutely no meaning or value or worth that I can see. And there are as many passages in the Bible that support my position as refute it. The Bible is simply a compendium of what humans wrote reflecting the era and mythos they lived in and experienced.Works gain you nothing; they are a charge and a task that Jesus placed on his followers. Failure in those tasks can damn you but doing them gains you nothing. BUT, they do make this life better for others. It's all we can do.

The only evidence available is what is written about Jesus in the Bible Phat and no where in any of it does it show Jesus ever solving our problems. The closest example might be the Loaves and Fishes parable but even there it is the disciples who distribute the food and gather up the left overs to feed more later.The deplorable factor that defines the CCoI and the Apologists is that they all expect Jesus or God to make everything better.The stories though repeatedly tell us to make everything better.

He is referring to the CCoI, the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

Picked long ago Phat, it's the side that does not reduce GOD to merely Jeeves.

Sheesh Phat. Why do you keep posting such silly, silly stuff.If something is supported by sufficient evidence then I accept that it is supported. Only the conmen and snake oil salesmen even try to market answers to such questions. Nobody knows Phat and no one alive will ever know.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

No Phat, I have said repeatedly that no one has ever expained how someone could know God and that all the evidence shows that people describe entirely different critters as being God. No Phat, I believe that there is a GOD, creator of all seen and unseen and that I will be judged after I die. No Phat, I acknowledge that no one has ever explained how it might be possible to know God. No Phat, those who buy the snake oil that directly contradicts what is actually written in the Bible or who make claims that cannot be verified are willingly being suckers. Final, you did get one correct. Yet they do not ever present any evidence.Edited by jar, : applin spallin

Neither truth or reality care whether or not you find them acceptable.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

WHAT?That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever Phat. It does not even rise to the level of word salad.

There are two ways the bill can be paid Phat, only one of those two ways is financial. The other way and the way it seems the US desires is through pain and suffering.But INMP!

No Phat, I'm already well past the life expectancy of a male in the US so INMP.But as long as you and those like you continue to choose the pain option over the financial one, that will be how the bill gets paid. That's a comforting fantasy, isn't it?

Which is why Gods are all created by believers.

Nonsense. You can be a helpless racist when powerless. But racism itself is not a problem rather it is behavior regardless of the cause that is the issue. Racism is only an issue when it extends to acts and those acts are wrong regardless of motivation.

Nonsense. It is simply that racist behavior by the powerless is annoying at worst. But it is not racism that is the issue but behavior and behavior is always judged across a wide spectrum of tolerance.Edited by jar, : No reason given.

Hardly Phat. Christianity never even got close to mainstream until Constantine.

I'm sorry but the whole idea that the existence of martyrs adds any evidence of validity of some idea is simply stupid. The very idea to market such crap is simply evidence that the audience is assumed to be stupid.