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Topic: Did Jesus Exist? by Bart Ehrman
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 438 of 563 (915905)
02-20-2024 9:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 435 by PaulK
02-20-2024 8:22 AM
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Sources suck at times
From your source
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APOCRYPHAL implies an unknown or dubious source or origin or may imply that the thing itself is dubious or inaccurate.
So you are going to resort to equivocation?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 443 of 563 (915920)
02-20-2024 12:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 441 by Phat
02-20-2024 11:18 AM
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Re: Can You Dig It?
Why would you think that? The dig was run by Tel Aviv University. I assume most of them were Jewish. Anson Rainey was an evangelical that converted to Judaism. Is that worse? Why would you think this is relevant? Why would you even ask such a thing? That is right, you are nothing but an ignorant, christian, troll.
RC Sproul actually went to school. He never dishonestly acquired diplomas and degrees as did Zacharias. For some reason you distrust all professing apologists...or am I just assuming?
Can you stay on topic? How is this relevant. I have already shown that Sproul's Ph.D is from an unaccredited diploma mill.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 445 of 563 (915930)
02-20-2024 1:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 444 by PaulK
02-20-2024 1:08 PM
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It is not unthinking denialism. It is looking at the lack of evidence and coming to a conclusion. There is no evidence for Mithra, but there are many texts about him. Should we assume he was historical too. Or how about Attis? Where does Paul talk about achieving knowledge about Jesus from other people? Why does he know nothing about the Gospels or the tales told in them?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 448 of 563 (915936)
02-20-2024 2:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 447 by Phat
02-20-2024 2:14 PM
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Re: Can You Dig It?
I am unimpressed with a guy who simply has an accredited degree if they show no common sense. You refused to even listen to Sproul but simply googled his credentials, so you have not examined all of the evidence that he offers.
So there is no chance of you staying on topic is there. Now personal attacks. A Christian apologist and minister is not going to convince me of anything. I can and have read multiple versions of the Bible. I have even read it in Spanish. They vary wildly and I do not need someone telling me what the words mean. He can provide no evidence just apologetics. Ok done with your off topic bullshit. The rest is just personal attacks and theist bullshit so ignoring.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 449 of 563 (915937)
02-20-2024 3:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 444 by PaulK
02-20-2024 1:08 PM
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None of the evidence you think you have produced stands up to historical enquiry. There is no one else that would be considered historical with this utter lack of evidence. Then again you seem to be the expert on historical research and the historical method,
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 451 of 563 (915983)
02-21-2024 1:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 450 by PaulK
02-20-2024 3:18 PM
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Education on the subject matter helps
i would suggest some college level courses on the historic method and historical research. There are universities offering some online. I could even help you pick some out.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 453 of 563 (915986)
02-21-2024 1:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 452 by PaulK
02-21-2024 1:44 PM
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Re: Education on the subject matter helps
Ok Mr. Historical research expert. Done with your disrespect. If I want to be treated like this and talk to someone this condescending I will talk to a creo. At least they admit they have no evidence. Good day, Sir
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Re: Expert Testimony on Jesus and His Resurrection
Are you going to post this copypasta dreck on all the Jesus dude topics? That is poor form and probably a violation of forum rules.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Re: Expert Testimony on Jesus and His Resurrection
So on this post you claim Michael Green is an MD. Are you ignorant? Stupid? A liar? This is from Green's 1968 book "Man Alive". He was a Theologian with a Doctor of Divinity, so no real education and certainly nothing in medicine.
Michael_Green_(theologian) This has your Michael Green quote and footnote for the source. God Looks At Your Heart - Historical Proof that Jesus was really Dead Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Changed structure of first link, to get it to go to where the unchanged form should have but didn't go to the correct place.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 461 of 563 (916816)
03-13-2024 11:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 459 by Phat
03-13-2024 2:59 AM
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Re: Jesus Spam
That is him. Spammer and shyster.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Re: Define "the Bible"
Nothing you said addressed the point if my comment. How is Marcion relevant? Do you understand anything about Marcionism? Docetism? It is a completely different religion from the Christianity that started developing at the same time. Which is 100 years after the supposed killing of the Jesus dude. 70 years after the death of the Paul dude.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Re: Carrier and his approach to Bayesian analysis.
Your point? Do you have anything relevant?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Re: Define "the Bible"
maricons book was not the Bible.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Re: Define "the Bible"
So you know nothing about Marcionism or Docetism. I was hoping these subjects were leading us to some evidence for the existence of Jesus. Marcion did not believe in a human Jesus, but rather in, Jesus the trickster, who was enveloped in some sort of magic at all times. Edited by Theodoric, .
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 474 of 563 (917562)
04-10-2024 12:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 473 by Phat
04-10-2024 12:22 PM
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Re: Define "the Bible"
So in other words, you already knew that these subjects(Marcion in particular) would lead us away from the existence of Jesus as revered by many millions of Christians
What? I have no idea what you are trying to say here. What is the point you are trying to make?
All that your scholarly quest for the reality of Jesus Christ(as God) has done is reinforce your lack of belief. I can't persuade you to be a believer any more than you will persuade me to be a critical scholar.
Again you have to resort to attacking knowledge and expertise in order to justify your faith. Not a good look. I have had email conversations with him in the past. I have had email exchanges with a number of scholars on a number of subjects. Relevance? So you still have no actual argument or response so resorting to personal attacks again. Will you ever learn anything about debate?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up, why would you have to lie?
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