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johndcal Inactive Junior Member |
It's just common sense:
1. The scientific community would not accept evolution unless it were soundly proved. As a theory, evolution (Darwin) is on par with plate tectonics and the Big Bang. If origins of species were not understood, science would say so, just as it does concerning black hole singularities, time before the Big Bang, and life on other planets. Science is not scheming against Christians. 2. Evolution has no baring on the existence of God, because He could easily have created a universe complex enough to allow evolution to proceed by natural law. The presence and manifestation of God in the universe are not nullified by evolution. 3. Almost everything is evolving according to natural law: from the expanding universe, to the death of stars, to the changing chemistry of the Earth's atmosphere. Is life the only thing that doesn't evolve by natural law -- requiring the continual "tinker toying" of God? Evolution is a simple, elegant theory, supported by the vast majority of scientists, an extensive fossil record, genetics, geology, biology, microevolution (laboratory and natural), and of course, common sense. John D. CallahanChristian theistic evolutionist http://www.faithreason.org/
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compmage Member (Idle past 5184 days) Posts: 601 From: South Africa Joined: |
quote: Just to keep our terminology correct. The ToE has not been proven, nothing in science has. It does, however, have an enormous amount of supporting evidence. ------------------compmage
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compmage Member (Idle past 5184 days) Posts: 601 From: South Africa Joined: |
quote: No, but it does sound like a second rate fiction novel. What independently verified evidence do you have that 'god' said any of these things? ------------------compmage
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Philip Member (Idle past 4753 days) Posts: 656 From: Albertville, AL, USA Joined: |
quote: --Indeed, Does not Callahan make both sides look bad? Denies the YEC, that even the Christ of the Bible explicitly refers to. Then denies the ToE with belief in ID.The weakest creationist and the weakest evolutionist would state that every random/selected beneficial mutation (if there be such a thing) was 'miracle' induced! This is a complete scientific cop-out and a complete violation of Creationistic faith, which identifies with the ex-nihilo version by the ID, and not the mutational. [This message has been edited by Philip, 05-10-2002]
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: Yes but you have to remember that dame Barbara Cartlands books outsold the Sears and Sallinger Thermodynamics text I have. I would turn to the latter rather than the former for an idea about the way the physical world works though.... Ammount of copies sold is not any sort of validation of a work of fiction....
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: Actually the OT is a fairly interesting (if fanciful) read, its only the NT that drags on and is 2nd rate.... Also Dame Barbara Cartlands sales records also strongy indicate that her work is not second rate.... Problem is that that indication is misleading as her books are absolutely gash..... I personally never said that the bible is second rate, theres some really good material in the OT, but it is fiction none the less and is not validified by any number of copies sold....
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
I personally own about 10 Bibles, but that says nothing about how I regard it. For me it is one of the foundations of western Christian culture, and that's why I believe familiarity with it is important. To not know the Bible is to not know where we came from culturally.
One of the original questions for Karl was how he knew that God had spoken the words attributed to him in Genesis, and he replied that it is history. But it is not history, for the very definition of historic periods, as opposed to prehistoric, is that written records were kept. Since Genesis wasn't written down until about the 6th century BC, the six days of Creation are a part of the prehistoric period. Of course, that is just a picky, technical answer based upon using the proper definitions of words. Just because an event is prehistoric doesn't mean it didn't happen, but it *does* mean that the evidence cannot come from contemporary sources. In the case of the events in chapters 1 and 2 of Genesis, indeed in much of Genesis, particularly Noah's flood, there is no evidence that the stories aren't mythic, and much evidence that they are scientifically not possible. --Percy
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Joe Meert Member (Idle past 5711 days) Posts: 913 From: Gainesville Joined: |
quote: JM: Actually that is a false statement. There is no geological evidence, anywhere, that supports the notion of a global Noachian deluge. Creationists showed this 200 years ago. Cheers Joe Meert
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
ksc writes: My interest in the debate stems primarily from concern about the Creationist threat to science education. If the above quote is an accurate statement of your position then it doesn't bother me at all. It is an honest and legitimate religious viewpoint on origins that is not a threat to science education, since not even the Kansas Board of Education would advocate teaching miracles as science. --Percy
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