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Author Topic:   The world has turned upside down!!! (Re: McCain vs. Obama for President)
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Message 191 of 210 (478652)
08-19-2008 7:20 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by Hyroglyphx
07-23-2008 6:50 PM


Re: Re-Obama
Just a point is that aside from the small number clips from individual sermons that came from Wright's pulpit Trinity's church has been characterized as a mainstream black church. Noting also that the style of Wright's sermons (minus again the clips shown on youtube etc.) are also in the mainstream of the way black pastors do preach. (wiki ironically also has a larger segment of those speeches analyzed textually Jeremiah Wright controversy - Wikipedia ). I'm thinking his words were more taken out of context to get a bit of sensationalism, in a dead media cycle, then anything else.
With that in mind, I say this mostly because I feel that you seem to not understand the underlying reason how such fiery preaching can arise. Black churches and the kind of preaching they do in describing the history and the situation that their congregations are in arises precisely because white folk decided that black people were not welcome in their churches. Its why mainstream black social theology is just slightly different from mainstream Christian social theology. Because, just like evolution, if you spend time away isolated from a larger group your own group is going to take on different characteristics. As to the reason why Obama spent 20 years there, what would you had him done gone and attend a white church, or look for another pastor who was more politically acceptable (hell why don't white people go and join a black church and get a feel as to how the and what the preaching means)??? Why should a few out of context sermons mean that Obama is a black supremacist??
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There is nothing in the book describing any kind of change of heart. I would encourage you to scour the book(s) for any such renunciation. There is a pattern being established here. His own words indict him. His pastor, of whom he spokes so fondly of in the books, his own wife who makes tacit assertions that "black America" should "wake up" and vote for Barrack on the basis of his blackness. Something isn't quite right here, and quite frankly, it is disconcerting to see this kind of rationale coming from someone who might just be the next president of the United States.
I think perhaps you should consider reading his speech A More Perfect Union if someone's own words indict them. I also don't understand where you think Michelle said that black people should vote for Barack on his blackness, is it like that baseless rumor that was started that she used the word 'whitey' in that its unsubstantiated? Also if she had said it the 'media' would have been all over her for that sensational comment.
Also I point out that people have are known to take and speak fondly of people who have inspired them (I'm sure you've done it). And even if they do that its not as if they agree with everything with the people they are fond of. How can it be so upsetting that Obama was moved by his pastor, became fond of him but Obama can't disagree with his pastor on certain aspects?

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Message 192 of 210 (478653)
08-19-2008 7:29 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by ICANT
07-25-2008 4:31 PM


Re: McCain is weak on torture
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I don't apologize for my belief's or opinions to anyone. Why would I apologize for someone else?
I am saying he has got an opinion based on his experience.
I did not even hint whether it was right or wrong.
He is entitled to his opinion just as you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to my opinion.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Makes no difference whether it is right or wrong.
And in my lifetime I have discovered everybody has an opinion.
On the other hand, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke. Calling McCain out on his irresponsible opinion of torture (just like calling out any other absurd opinion) is the socially responsible response.
Opinions do matter whether they are 'right' or 'wrong', in terms of being supported or not supported. Some opinions are more equal and more valid then others. I don't understand why you want to consign the world to some abstract form of opinion nihilism.

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