abstinece-only sex education

it is not bratty to call you on being wrong just because you're older than me.

abstinence only education includes misinformation created by certain organizations in order to teach kids that the only way is to not have sex until marriage. this misinformation includes such as 'condoms can't protect you from aids or even pregnancy because the pores are too big'. this is scientifically false. completely. but i learned it in my sex-ed class. this kind of information leads to a slight delay in sexual activity followed by sex without precautions and often oral or anal sex because "it isn't really sex". anal sex is more prone to transmission because of the lack of natural lubrication and much less sturdy tissue.thus, we see more disease and more pregnancy.i'm all about abstinence. i don't think there's anything wrong with sex at any time or for any reason, but waiting sure can't hurt you if you approach it responsibly and don't repress things. self-love is always better than spreading it around. however, it's not something we should be teaching using false information.

very good point. actually. i haven't got any case law. i should look into it (lazy). but it is also legally rape if you change your mind during sex and don't tell your partner. i don't necessarily agree with that, but i do know that there may be times when you change your mind and don't feel safe stating such. psychological coercion (including peer pressure) is wrong in any case. people must be free to make up their own minds. and just because someone falls for a line doesn't make them gullible or mean that they have a victim complex. if someone is taken advantage of, they deserve recourse. just because our current society is full of fakers who have created a judicial mess of coffee spills doesn't change the reality of sexual violation. if a child is told by a molestor that if he says anything to anyone about the violation that they'll just punish the child does the fact that he's a child or that he was scared enoug to believe it change that it is coercion and wrong? child or adult, people can be prey to the strangest things. this doesn't mean that they don't deserve to be protected. that's all i'm saying. every circumstance is different. but we can prepare for such things and educate our children on how to defend themselves.i completely agree that such defensive education should be done early. but then i think that sex-ed should be taught early and gradually. do you teach a 5 year old how to put on a condom? no. but you do teach a five year old that babies come from mommies and daddies. and that sometimes people will try to do things they shouldn't to you and no one will be mad at you if you report it. do you teach a ten year old how to put on a condom? maybe we should. have you seen the movie kids?

and yet clearly it doesn't work the way you say it does. but whatever. you're right. cause the bible tells you so.

i already told you. discuss something as illegal. do not discuss wrong. it's not my vision. it's the law. i told you i didn't necessarily agree with it. but manipulation is wrong and the point it to prepare children to resist manipulation should they choose that they are not ready.

i think it's more that in a proper situation you are aware of your partner's needs and desires and it's generally VERY obvious when someone changes his mind. a girl will often dry up and a guy well.. guys are funny. they'll start looking away or something. the point is that if you're interested in what the other person is thinking, you'll know they want to stop.but yes it is difficult and ridiculous. but then a lot of people seem to have trouble figuring out if people want it in the first place, like basketball players and government officials in south africa.

indeed. i'll look into it. i did some informal google searches and came up with nothing but statistics. these are kinda things i've heard in rape presentations though.but the kind of education program i'm suggesting is merely the kind that we get in college from the wellness people. i see no reason why it can't be done in middle or high school. learning to set and keep boundaries is a part of a healthy sexual process.

you ask me what i would want the program to do regarding something that is illegal. i replied appropriately and now you're telling me 'but it's not always illegal. well la de freakin da. if it's not illegal then there's no issue. i think a lot of things are proper that are illegal, namely armed revolt. homosexual sex is not something i'm worried about. and porn is not illegal. at least not in most places.the law is never fact in a democratic state. it merely reflects the opinion of the supported majority party. the only fact is that you will be charged if you break it. but civil disobedience is a beautiful thing. we should have gay love-ins on courthouse steps if they ever outlaw it. who said resist or die? you're crazy.

it is not the failure to resist that is damaging, but the manipulation.i'm tired of the foreskin adhesions anyways.
just another meaningless argument in which you have failed to understand what i'm talking about.

no. you're being argumentative and refusing to pay attention to very simple ideas. you have no interest in being explained to, but rather jumping on my terminology and my personal opinions that i use to describe my position. you have not discussed the actual position except in the first response in which you flat out denied the possibility of it being a reasonable idea. since then you have muddled around with sideline crap. excuse me if i don't have any interest in discussing anything with you since this is your general tendency. not to mention that you probably should know better than to discuss what-ifs of inhibitions of civil rights. you simply won't get a positive response from trying to goad me into suggesting that people be encouraged to follow unjust laws. it's just not friendly.in college, we have organizations that provide sex-ed sort of stuff. it's not generally in a formal class, though it easily could be formatted that way. they tend to be in residence hall lectures during orientation week or special event lectures and that sort of thing. these lectures talk about the particulars of diseases and protection. they also talk about how to say no if you choose, and how to discuss sex if you choose. they discuss how to avoid date rape and how to respond if it happens. they discuss boundaries and emotions and impact. all i'm suggesting is that we format this to a more formal class setting and add in the medical discussion of how organs work and where hormones come from and then install it at the middle or high school level.in fact, there was a little booklet involving what i'm describing in the student clinic the last time i went. ashamed to say it was produced by mtv, but it was a very useful little booklet. this website has an e-copy of it. it's really not difficult to discuss how to be emotionally and sexually responsible without discussing right or wrong or law or anything.