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Author Topic:   Where is the "leftist" media in the US?
RAZD
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Message 71 of 116 (333044)
07-18-2006 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
07-18-2006 7:53 AM


The Classic Lie
Is that the media is too "liberal" (not "leftist")
Strictly speaking "leftist" is anything left of center.
Of course there is no distinction for people that only see things in black and white between {a little left of hard right} and {socialism\communism}.
As noted the business of news is to sell news -- and whatever "news" is watched by more people is what you get more of the next time around.
What this means is that if you see news as being too "left" or too "liberal" ... YOU are in the minority (ie -- to the right) of the average viewers.
This is why we get media circus events where all the news media try to cover the same nonsense story. This is also why they spend so much (TV an Radio) time advertising themselves.
Personally I would welcome a leftist or liberal media rather than a "roll-over and play dead" media on any real issues that might upset people who like to be comfortable with their news.
A "liberal" news media would not be "embedded" in one side of a story, but try to cover both sides.
I listened to a (Open Source, on PBS) program on the media bias
Truth, Balance and the News | Open Source with Christopher Lydon
(there is a link to listen to the show)
One of the "rightist" commentators was asked what he wanted news to be, and he said a balance between good and bad stories. When challenged on good stories all he could come up with were the capture of Saddam, the elections in Iraq and a couple of other OLD news items that HAD been covered in the news.
It seems to me that what the "rightist" agenda wants to end up with is a "feel good" news media that only reports things that make people feel good, that it coddles to their political whimsy and the like.
News should make people feel uncomfortable, especially about any and all {unsubstantiated assumptions, untested beliefs, sublimated biased opinions} they use to make personal choices -- it should challenge you to think about what you believe, think and feel.
That is what a real "liberal" media would do.
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Message 80 of 116 (333085)
07-18-2006 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Faith
07-18-2006 6:55 PM


Re: Bill Moyers on media bias
I'm sorry, I find it hard even to read Moyers, knowing how much leftist bias there is in every word he utters.
Obviously you don't read him very well.
Or you fail to admit to yourself how extreme your rightist views are.
When your biases prevent you from reading something, then you should question why you have such a reaction if you really (think you) have a free and open, honest view of the world.
Perhaps those are the things you need to pay more attention to -- the kinds of things that NEWS should pay attention to, the things that make you wince.
And when it comes to the LIES of the Botch administration, anyone who believes there are none is living in DEEP DENIAL: evidence Katrina when Botch said "no-one knew, no-one could have known" AFTER he was at a conference that presented EXACTLY the kind of disaster that unfolded AND WAS RECORDED THERE.
OR when he announced that they had the evidence of secret labs, that trucks had been found that confirmed Saddams biological weapons program -- after a memo had been sent that OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED it was NOT a weapons program at all: either he read the memo and LIED about the result or he didn't read the memo and made the announcement BEFORE GETTING THE EVIDENCE that he then LIED about having. YOUR CALL.
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Message 89 of 116 (333128)
07-18-2006 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
07-18-2006 9:07 PM


Re: Bill Moyers on media bias
Too bad leftists don't know how leftist they are, have to claim they're middle of the road.
Wrong again. Leftists know when they are extremes, know the shades of gray of the spectrum of politics and recognize those at the center.
The difference is that leftists recognize a center between them and the fanatic right, rather than label everything else as {other\must be evil}.
Completely untrustworthy.
Especially when backed up by fact after fact after fact, instead of being pure assertion....
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Message 96 of 116 (333492)
07-19-2006 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
07-19-2006 6:37 PM


Re: bump for Faith
I'd love to but it's a lot of work and really unnecessary.
So you don't really have any evidence and are just asserting that what you want to believe is true.
It's a Coffee House thread too you know.
You still have the matter of being honest with yourself.

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Message 101 of 116 (333514)
07-19-2006 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Faith
07-19-2006 7:10 PM


honesty with self
And I suppose you are able on demand to come up with dozens of examples to "evidence" your view of what is left, right and center?
Your assertion was that the media was {leftist\liberal}, so lets stick to the assertion and not equivocate on it.
When I make an assertion I generally back it up with facts. Like I did on Botch lying to you, like I did on marriage and homosexuality traditions in many historical cultures, and like I have on other threads when responding to you.
But you are the one who made the assertion here, not me. That makes it incumbent on you to at least have ONE (1) piece of evidence for your assertion -- if for no other reason than to be honest with yourself.
There is evidence that the media is NOT leftist the way it is portrayed by the rightist extremists.
Part of that evidence is in Bill Moyers response to this attack on his program -- the evidence that you won't read because it makes you uncomfortable.
My views are representative of the right wing in general. I spend a lot of time with them.
I agree that they are representative. That doesn't make them {right\correct\true\valid}, just common. Having them does not pertain to honesty per se either, that has more to do with ensuring that you have the facts correct, not just whatever you are comfortable with.
I'm quite honest with myself...
So you keep telling yourself, so that you can feel comfortable when shutting out information that makes you uncomfortable -- like the evidence in Bill Moyer's response. Like the evidence that the Botch Administration lies to you. Like the evidence for cultural traditions that include homosexual relations down through history and in all cultures, no different from cultural traditions that include heterosexual relations. When you exclude one set of facts to feel comfortable with what's left you are not being honest with yourself.
The evidence for honesty with yourself is not in what you accept, what you believe, what you spend time with every day, but in what you deny, what you shut out, what you exclude from consideration, in order to feel comfortable with your beliefs -- the evidence that challenges and contradicts your views.
True honesty looks at those things that DON'T fit your particular {world view} and if it cannot explain them in the context of that {world view} then must question whether that {world view} is in error.
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Message 103 of 116 (333525)
07-19-2006 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Faith
07-19-2006 8:12 PM


Re: honesty with self
So, have you read Bill Moyer's response to claims of liberal bias yet or are you still in denial?

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