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While under a local anaesthetic, an epileptics scalp was lifted away and the cranium opened to allow the surgeon direct access to the brain. Using an electrical probe, he touched that part of the brain which made the right hand move. As the hand moved he said to the patient "You moved your right hand" The patient replied "No, you did" Evidently the mans self awareness was not directly related to the brain. The surgeon then directed the patient to will his hand not to move. The patient agreed to resist moving it in his mind and as the hand began to twitch due to the application of the electrical probe, the patients left hand reached over and stopped the right hand from moving. The physician could control the brain but the mind of the patient, which trancended the brain, moved the left hand to stop it.
The surgeon couldn't control the mind - only the brain.

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Where is this from?

Do you mean "does God believe in atheists?"I'm a self-respecting atheist and that book was (as I remember) full of the usual fundie stawmen coupled with some rather belittling ideas of other relgions.I'll have to investigate the morey one further...

What naming calling? You mentioned a book, I've read it and thought it was crap - that's my outlook on the second book you mentioned. As crash has pointed out to you a number of times people don't take too kindly to you misrepresenting what they have said.I cannot find any evidence for the example you have provided from the first book, so can you show us your example actually happened?The name of a doctor? a hospital? a study?As for the second one - all those paths go nowhere but I get sick and fucking tired of christians demanding respect for their religion while ragging on other people. They want some respect they need to show it first.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 30-Aug-2005 08:41 AMThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 30-Aug-2005 08:43 AM

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I've given the reference, (publisher~: Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Co (I feel a 'fundi-moment coming on!)). If you can't find it that's not my problem. "Google Uber Alles" has about as much foundation to it as "Empiricism Uber Alles" - the world by and large thinks otherwise.

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Yes and I found the reference but I cannot find any supporting evidence that the example presented is real. So I'm asking YOU to support your example (which is how we work here) - so do you have the name of the doctor who provided this "experiment"? The context in which it was performed? Any evidence at all that it happened?

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It's me your dealing with here and I'm not demanding anything from your regarding respect for Christianity.

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You are starting to piss me off now - my remark was clearly in the context of my reply about the book nothing at all to do with you as an individual. You need to quit misrepresenting what people are saying to you.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 30-Aug-2005 09:54 AMThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 30-Aug-2005 09:55 AM

You are at it again! Trying to misquote me!Your quote is:

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I'm a self-respecting atheist and that book was (as I remember) full of the usual fundie stawmen coupled with some rather belittling ideas of other relgions.

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My actual statement was:

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Do you mean "does God believe in atheists?"

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I'm a self-respecting atheist and that book was (as I remember) full of the usual fundie stawmen coupled with some rather belittling ideas of other relgions.

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I'll have to investigate the morey one further...

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Further to this I state that:

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What naming calling? You mentioned a book, I've read it and thought it was crap - that's my outlook on the second book you mentioned. As crash has pointed out to you a number of times people don't take too kindly to you misrepresenting what they have said.

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I cannot find any evidence for the example you have provided from the first book, so can you show us your example actually happened?

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I have not read the book where the example comes from but as I CLEARLY state I have read the book that CITES the other book - that's why I want further context and evidence - I have NOT commented on the Morley book and the actual example BECAUSE I HAVE NOT READ THAT BOOK.I CLEARLY say I haven't read it, so your claim of "strawman assumptions" is a LIE.Now do you want to support your example and provide the context in which the "experiment" was conducted or don't you?This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 30-Aug-2005 10:28 AM

You've just misquoted me AGAIN - This is really beyond a joke, the important bit of the section you just misquoted was:I'll have to investigate the morey one further...You are trying to now shift to a discussion of the book "does God believe in Atheists" which was never what my complaint was about - as people can clear see I stated I had read it (Blanchard) and was not impressed with it and therefore I was asking for (again quite clearly) clarification from the SOURCE (Morley) not from the citation.You are trying to suggest I am rubbishing your example by rubbishing the John Blanchard book "Does God Believe in atheists", this is clearly not the case. I have not commented on the experiment at all besides asking for further supporting material FROM THE ORIGINAL.I really am going to have to turn grass and complain about this, you need to be suspended for your willful misquoting of people.

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If we all played silly buggers like you appear to be doing and asked for original peer-reviewed papers supporting evidence

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Where have I asked for "original peer-reviewed" papers?Please provide the specific quote where I do so.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 30-Aug-2005 02:17 PM

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Rape, incest, medical emergency are but a drop in the ocean compared to the others.

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But let's discuss them anyway - would you support an abortion if there was a 50/50% chance that the baby would kill the mother if carried to full-term?

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Hey I'm up on all the possible ways to avoid pregnancy and still get off. And yes you can reach 100% with certain techniques (mainly no reproductive sexual acts).

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Webcam but you need to send your name,address and various documents off to George bush and his mates - "for protection".

And I'll say - Yep me too.