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johnfolton 
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Message 53 of 148 (338855)
08-09-2006 11:51 PM
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08-09-2006 7:22 PM


Re: Bristlecone pine
God rested on the seventh day, if we are not ignorant that one day is a thousand years to God and he rested on the seventh day before he caused the world flood. *If* God caused the flood after his seventh God day this would mean Adam was created in the year 6556 year of the 6th God day of creation. This would mean the flood happened around the 8000 years from the creation of the earth. My resource article talks about 6 days meaning 6,000 years however the 6th day = 6,000 - 7,000 years because the first creation day would be 1 to 1000 years. If the 7,000 year clock started aproximately the 6556 year into the creation week that being the creation date of mankind then if were nearing the end of the seventh thousand year since the creation of mankind then the flood happened approximately 5,509 years ago. 6556 + 7,000 =13,556 - 1491 years from adam to Noah Flood = 12,065 years - 6556 = flood happening approximately 5,509 years ago.
**********and every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.*********
This is the fossil record all that remained upon the surface of the ground was destroyed. It didn't say all living substances were all destroyed, just the living substances upon the surface of the earth. The olive branch like the fish didn't remain upon the surface of the earth thus exempt from total destruction yet of all the people on the earth it does say only Noah remained alive and they that were with him in the ark. Creationists mention trees float above the surface of the earth, insects and their larvas would of survived on things that float explaining the great diversity of insects.
*******resource article
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The Epistle of Barnabas,written about 200 A.D., actually expounded on the concept of the 7000- year plan of Go,stating that the “end” would occur at the point ogf 6000 years from the creation of mankind.States this ancient document of the early church period:
“of the sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; `And God made the works of his hands in six days and He ended on the seventh day,and rested on it,and He hallowed it.`Give heed,children,what this meaneth,`He ended in six days` He meaneth this,that IN SIX THOUSAND YEARS THE LORD SHALL BRING ALL THINGS TO AND END,for the day with Him signifieth a thousand years;and this He himself beareth me witness,saying,`behold,the day of the Lord shall be as a THOUSAND YEARS.`
Therefore,children,in six days,that is IN SIX THOUSAND YEARS,EVERYTHING SHALL COME TO AN END`.And He rested on the seventh day`. This he meaneth; when His Son shall come,and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One,and shall judge the ungodly,and shall change the sun and the moon and the stars,then shall He truly rest on the seventh day”.(Epistles of Barnabus,chap.15 The Apostolic Fathers,pp.151-152)

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johnfolton 
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Message 74 of 148 (339047)
08-10-2006 6:28 PM
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08-10-2006 2:55 PM


Re: Bristlecone pine
I'll agree with you that if one God day is a thousand of our years this would make trees dating back 11,566 years is in agreement with Gods Word. The third creation day would of been 2,000 - 3,000 years from the beginning of the earths creation week. This places the flood happening approximately 8,000 years after the beginning of God's creation week and approximately 5,500 years ago.
Barnabas is in the bible but not his epistle, he's the vessel God used to declare Paul (Saul) to fellow believers in Jerusalem. acts chapter 9-13. I was only using the seven thousand years from his epistle to near present time puts the flood approximately 5,500 years ago (not 4,500 years) because its based on one year being a thousand years.
Note: Six creation days equal 7,000 of our years if one of Gods days is a thousand of our years.
Adam and Eves first book too is in agreement with one of Gods days = 1000 years and its in agreement with Adam (mankind was created in the middle of the 6th creation day the 6556 year from the beginning of the creation week.
The first book of adam and eve is in agreement with the Lord Jesus birth happened approximately 5,500 years after adam birth. The birth of Jesus happening approximately 2,000 years ago correlates with the epistle of barnabas placing adams birth approximately 7,450 years ago. By subtacting the ages from Adam to Noahs flood it places the fresh water world flood approximately 5,500 years ago and approximately the 8,000 year from the beginning of Gods 7 day creation week.
after a yrs time of the world being covered with water i doubt any thing would be floating ether it would become water logged or eaten by the fish
stuff that doesn't belong in the water doesn't stay there very long
becomes part of the food chain
It does not say it rained an entire year or that the earth was covered for an entire year. Trees floated upwards because the soil holding them (being super saturated) was not up to the floating upward forces of the rising flood waters.
show me were in the bible its says"one day is a thousand years"
have a nice day
2 peter 3:8
*****resource article
http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/...book/adameve/adameve1.html
Chapter III
Concerning the promise of the great five and a half days.
1 God said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and you and your descendants shall live and walk in them, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created you, and against which you have transgressed, the Word that made you come out of the garden, and that raised you when you were fallen.
2 Yes, the Word that will again save you when the five and a half days are fulfilled."
3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five and a half days, he did not understand the meaning of them.
4 For Adam was thinking there would be only five and a half days for him until the end of the world.
5 And Adam cried, and prayed to God to explain it to him.
6 Then God in his mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and likeness, explained to him, that these were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his descendants.

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johnfolton 
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Message 96 of 148 (339113)
08-10-2006 11:39 PM
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08-10-2006 10:13 PM


Re: Bristlecone pine
some of those tree's "the dead one's" have been up on that mountain for 15000 yrs
that predate's your creation time table
or to put it a nother way they where there before your god created them and the earth they grew on
This source article places the flood about 2,500 BC (4,500 years ago) while it appears it happened 3,500 BC (5,500 years ago) if one is to believe the age of the Bristlecone pine (4767 years)and the submerged spruce trees that all C14 dated 11,000 years. The spruce tree growing 5,000 -6,000 years before the biblical world flood accounts for all the spruce trees dating 11,000 years.
This article does a pretty good job of explaining the problems of tree ring dating because of contamination due to the pourous nature of wood due the older rings are alive while the tree is yet living.
Its not uncommon for trees to have more than one annual tree ring which given the older tree rings in living trees are alive raises serious questions of trees dating 15,000 years old is more likely a question of contamination.
http://www.geocities.com/peaceharris/c14/
******resource article
However, if we accept biblical chronology to be accurate, we get some very interesting results. For instance, the flood which occurred during Noah's time (2500BC). Note that from Fig 1, that around 4500 years ago, the amount of C14 present was only about half that of 1950 AD. This would cause an error of about 5700 years. Hence, if the book of Genesis is accurate, the flood would yield a radiocarbon date of 4500+5700 years. 10200 years bp.
The ice-age could be another event related to the flood. While dating wood samples from a forest in Wisconsin, Dr Willard Libby wrote, "Apparently the spruce forest was submerged, pushed over, and buried under glacial drift by the last advancing ice sheet in this region." (Science Vol 113, pg 117, Feb 1951) All samples from this buried forest yielded about 11000 radiocarbon years.
The tree trunk grows vertically upwards. If all new intake of carbon is only deposited at the outermost ring, the tree would only be able to grow fatter and fatter without getting taller. The question we need to ask is: As the tree grows, are all nutrients transported without affecting the old rings? It is hard to imagine a scenario where the tree trunk gets taller if nutrients were only allowed to be transported at the outermost layer.
Here are a few reasons to believe that an old ring is not 'dead'.
i) Wood is porous, there are capillaries which are capable of transporting fluids. Consider the analogy of drinking milk from a straw. The straw may be 100 years old, but the milk may have been produced from a cow just a week ago. Thus dating the straw would not yield the age of the straw, but rather the age of the straw 'contaminated' by the milk. If someone wants to claim that tree ring calibration is a valid method, he should first prove that the capillaries in an old ring have not tranported any fluids since their formation. Is there any evidence that only the outermost layer function as the xylem and phloem?
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