Insect diversity falsifies the worldwide flood.

Genesis 7 (King James Version)19
And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
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Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
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And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
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all in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
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and every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.the bible explicitly says that nothing survived outside the ark
so that means there were no "floating vegetation arks"ALL SO \/ \/ \/ \/ \/
Genesis 7, 22
all in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.the Bristlecone pines that grow in California-Nevada border contradict Genesis 7, 22The oldest living tree known is a Bristlecone Pine known as "Methuselah" located at an elevation of 10,400 feet in the White Mountains on the California-Nevada border. The tree is estimated to be 4,767 years old. It stands about 55 feet tall, with a misshapen oval-shaped trunk measuring about 4 1/2 feet wide.
alive 1500 yrs before the flood and still alive today, didnt the bible say god killed everything on the dry land. hmmm

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1) is "estimated" to be 4,767 years old, which is only 267 years before the estimated time of the flood, that too being an estimate.So you adjust your estimate to suit your argument
every christian iv herd talking about the flood says
it happened 3000 yrs ago.
Iv never heard anybody say the flood happened 4500yrs ago
why don't you produce a source on that one and enlighten me please.
I took the low estimation on the Bristle cone pine age
there are other higher estimates
but even so it happened before the flood.QUOTE
2) The Bible doesn't say all plant life died. All the terms apply to animal life. Possibly some plant life survivedOk Faith let me show were it does say that god destroyed every liveing thing.
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And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:Because of the word all in this underlined statment
plants would be included.
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All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.In the underlined statment "every living substance" would incluld plants
because plants are a LIVEING SUBSTANCE.
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and every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.Also
This underlined statment back the other statment up.
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and every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and
Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the arkWhy is you christains are allways trying to twist what the bible says
to suit your arguments in a dicussion.The bible makes it clear that god's intentions were to destroy everthing except noah and the ark.
What do you think god is going to let some evil littlething slip though his fingers and escape his rath?
Oh come on now PLEASE!!!!!
have a nice day

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[God rested on the seventh day, if we are not ignorant that one day is a thousand years to] [God and he rested on the seventh day before he caused the world flood.]
the bible does not say that 1 of gods yrs = to a 1000 of man yrs
if you want to go down that road then the equ could be 1 to 1,000,000 or 1 to 1,000,000,000
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[My resource article talks about 6 days meaning 6,000 years however the 6th day ]
your resource articles are the works of men with there own personal bias
it is just there assumption that 1 of gods yrs = to a 1000 of man yrs
show me in the bible where it says that
another thing you fail to see is that this tree was not a fluke of nature
but the entire species could live really long
there are some trees up on those moutians right now that are dead that predate this living
tree and the flood and still did not die in flood but lived long after the flood
there just not alive right now
and there are also some up there that predate the creation they go back 15000yrs
plus the native American Indians history goes back 15000yrs
with out any evidence that were destroyed by a world wide floodquote
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**********and every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.*********
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[This is the fossil record all that remained upon the surface of the ground was destroyed. It didn't say all living substances were all destroyed, just the living substances upon the surface of the earth. The olive branch like the fish didn't remain upon the surface of the earth thus exempt from total destruction yet of all the people on the earth it does say only Noah remained alive and they that were with him in the ark. ]
you seam to miss the point
these trees were not floating they are still rooted in the ground and they didn't die from flood
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[Creationists mention trees float above the surface of the earth, insects and their larvas would of survived on things that float explaining the great diversity of insects.]
after a yrs time of the world being covered with water i doubt any thing would be floating ether it would become water logged or eaten by the fish
stuff that doesn't belong in the water doesn't stay there very long
becomes part of the food chainhmmm are trying to pull a fast one on me?
he's not in the bible>The Epistle of Barnabus,written about 200 A.D
just a nother guy writing about the bible right?
what is this just some other book you are quoting from>"The Apostolic Fathers,pp.151-152"
its not the word of god ,just a nother mans opinion right?
again show me were in the bible its says"one day is a thousand years"
have a nice day

Faith you don't get it
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[It is simply NOT true that you have to believe the universe is any particular age, that the
layers in the geologic column were formed 4500 years ago or bazillions, that dinosaurs lived 5000
years ago or some millions of years ago, or that we were created in Eden or all evolved from the
primordial swamps, in order to do excellent science]Its not a matter of belief but of weighing evidence.
The earth has to be really old because there is no evidence that dinosaurs could have lived along
side man 10000yrs ago.
Here is some evidence that dinosaurs lived along time ago.
A1
There remains are all fossilized.
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Radiocarbon dating indicates that they are a lot older then 10000yrs.
A3
There is no dinosaur bone or flesh material to be found anywhere
but there is plenty of bone material of people and contemporary animal from 10000yrs ago.If dinosaurs did live with men just 10000yrs ago,
you would findB1 Mummified dinosaurs flesh that would date less then 10000yrs old.B2 Dinosaurs bones and flesh with viable DNA in them "not fossilized dinosaurs bones".
Because we do find DNA in the remains of people and contemporary animal from 10000yrs ago.B3 Men and dinosaurs would have interacted with each other.
Men would have hunted them down for there flesh, skin and bones.
Flesh to eat ,leather skin for cloths and bones for tools,weapons and jewelry.B4 People would have draw pictures of them "no such pictures of dinosaurs exist before 1800AD".
"Where not talking mithical monsters ether or large fish"B5 Written records of kings and warriors bragging about killing such beasts.
No records exist that describe dinosaurs.!LOOK!\/This is were we weigh the evidence.The supporting evidence A1-A3 and
lack of evidence in the points b1-b5 are enough proof that dinosaurs could not have existed with men.
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The bible offers no proof of the exsitance of dinosaurs at all.The only other option is that dinosaurs lived and died
before man ever walked the face of earth.
Supporting the idea that the world is realy old not 10000yrs old.
there is other evidence in hydrogeology "as poster anglagard pointed out",astronamy and physics that independenty
support this claim but thats for a nother threadsoooo........
It is simply true that you have to accept that universe is a particular age based on the observable evidence.Show me where im am wrong with statments b1-b5 and i will believe in creationism QUOTE
[I simply do not get how the length of time you calculate it WOULD take to move this water
from point A to point B says anything about a worldwide flood 4500 years ago. Simply see no
relevance whatever. Can you spell this out better?]This aquifer could not exist if ,QUOTE\/
[Or you count backward. Taking all time statements literally, it is determined that the
earth is roughly only 6000 years old, the Flood occurred around 4500 years ago]
This water would only have been to travel 0.7% of the distance between Zuni Mountains and
San Juan River "sry i don't no the distance in miles".
99.3% of this aquifer would still be dry if the world was only 6000yrs old.You fail to see is that this tree was not a fluke of nature
but the entire species could live really long.
There are some trees up on those mountains right now that are dead that predate this living.
Tree and the flood and still did not die in flood but lived long after the flood.
There just not alive right now
and there are also some up there that predate the creation they go back 15000yrs.
the native American Indians history goes back 15000yrs
with out any evidence that were destroyed by a world wide flood.
These trees were not floating they are still rooted in the ground and they didn't die from flood.After a yrs time of the world being covered with water i doubt any thing would be floating.
Ether it would become water logged or eaten by the fish.
Stuff that doesn't belong in the water doesn't stay there very long
becomes part of the food chain.QUOTE
[The bazillions of fossils of sea life show that the same happened to them, but yet some obviously survived to replenish the oceans, and not on the ark.]
Where your evidence that there was a mass exstinction of marine life
just because you can find a lot of fossiles dosn't mean they die all at once.
If they did they would be found i one single layer of sediment ordered by size and wieght.
But there not they are ordered by species in many layers.
In this decending order
marine mamals
marine dinosaurs
fish
shellfish
Also in this same single layer of sediment
you would find all the land animals mixed in with the sea life.
No such record exists!
your claims that the bible makes just dont agree with the observable evidence
have a nice day

i looked for on itthe htlm page but counldnt find it
i tryed q , /q with left and right arrows and it didnt work
but thanks i did want to use it
so next time i will

you must have not understood me
some of those tree's "the dead one's" have been up on that mountain for 15000 yrs
that predate's your creation time table
or to put it a nother way they where there before your god created them and the earth they grew on
i guess they were floating in space

If dinosaurs did exist with man then why don't are museums have
artifacts.
Like something hand worked from dinosaur leather
like a belt or a pair of shoes.
Some tool,weapon or piece of jewelry made from dinosaur bones or teeth.
If you could produce such items put them up on eBay and I'll buy them from you, I'll pay any price!!!!!!
Where are all the dinosaurs bone's?
They would be new enough to have DNA in them.
Yet there is not a single dinosaur bone with DNA in it.
If dinosaur did exist with men dinosaur DNA would be as common as sand, ah but for some strange reason there's none to be found.
Hmmm i wounder why
I'll let you in on a little investment secret
I want use the DNA to grow some dinosaurs and build an amuesment park slash zoo I'll call it Jurrassic Park
Sound like a good idea any one want to invest?The posters who have posted about people who have claimed seen dinosaurs sound like the same people post about other people who have claimed seen little green men.
Why don't we see any pictures drawn by people who lived before 1800's
that look like these animals?
Dinosauria On-Line
Dinosauria On-Line
Dinosauria On-Line
Dinosauria On-Line
Dinosauria On-Line
These to men artist Joe Tucciarone and Jeff Poling
took the time out to dedicate an entire web site to dinosaurs.
Surly Michael Angelo or Leonardo da Vinci would have takin the time out to draw one picture of any one of these fascinating creatures since creatures like this would be common place not like some rare alien sightingIts funny that you don't find any pictures from any famous artist
from any part of the world drawing any pictures that look like these creatures!!!!
Why is that ?????And still there are famous artists from all around the world that have drawn pictures
of all kinds of mythical creatures yet none of them look like these creatures.
Again why is that????If dinosaurs did exist with men ,dinosaurs would common place in man's historical record.
Yet it just not there.So come on people where is your physical evidence because without it your sighting accounts don't mean much .

The topic is insect diversity not dragons.

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The city of Nerluc was renamed in honor of the killing of a "dragon" there. This animal was bigger than an ox and had long, sharp, pointed horns on its head.

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SO THIS IS WHAT U QUOTE
It doesn't say and had long, sharp, pointed horns on its head your statement is just an out right lie!!!HERE'S THE full passage that you didnt quote
wikiepedie \/ \/

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legend has it that the creature inhabited the area of Nerluc in Provence, and devastated the landscape far and wide. The Tarasque was a sort of
dragon with six short legs like a Bear's,
an ox-like body covered with a turtle shell,
and a scaly tail that ended in a scorpion's sting.
It had a lion's head,
horse's ears,
and the face of a bitter old man.

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No dinosaur had six legs
dinosaurs don't have stinger tails
loin head horses ears and the face of a bitter old man.
sound's like a myth to me
a dinosaur YEA RIGHT LAUGHING TO MY GRAVE
trying to hide the truth are you MR.randman????

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A scientist named Ulysses Aldrovandus carefully described a small "dragon" seen along a farm road in northern Italy.

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small "dragon">a modern day lizard

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Thousands of dragon stories and pictures can be found in ancient Chinese books and art. One interesting legend tells about a famous Chinese man named Yu. After the great world flood, Yu surveyed the land of China and divided it into sections. He "built channels to drain the water off to the sea" and helped make the land livable again. Many snakes and "dragons" were driven from the marshlands when Yu created the new farmlands.

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could have been kimodo dragon like lizards or alligators
again just mordern day lizard sightings

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They provide us with our earliest surviving European accounts of reptilian monsters, one of whom killed and devoured King Morvidus in 336 B.C. We are told in the amazing account, translated for us by Geoffrey of Monmouth, that the monster "gulped down the body of Morvidus as a big fish swallows a little one." Geoffrey himself described the animal as a Belua. The Belua was described as reptilian, and when we endeavor to compare it with any other animal of today, coupled with the fact that it gulped down Morvidus

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wikipedie

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Later in his reign, a monster (Belua) appeared from the Irish Sea and began devouring the inhabitants of the western shores. In an attempt to stop this savagery, Morvidus met the beast in single-combat and used every weapon he could against her, but to no avail. The monster lunged at Morvidus and consumed him.

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a monster not a dinosaur
stop trying to stretch the truth randman

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No land animal of today, let alone reptilian, could devour a human by such standards. Therefore, Geoffrey was either a flat out liar, or he told the truth.

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a 13ft crocodile could
is this all you got
tall tales and monster sightings
if there was so many sighting there would be also physical evidence to go with it
namely Dino poop
ah but you never here about a 500lb Dino poop sighting
now do ya
also don't forget the dinosaur bones they would have viable DNA in them where are theyEdited by AdminNosy, : No reason given.