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Author Topic:   What to believe, crisis of faith
PaulK
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Message 23 of 302 (243734)
09-15-2005 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Aztraph
09-14-2005 9:35 PM


I'll start with an easy one - the holidays aren't that important. You may think that Christians should follow some of the Jewish customs (e.g. Passover) but there's nothing in the Bible forbidding extra holidays that I know of.
In the bigger question of science versus religion, I have to say that on its own turf science has a pretty good record - and faith hasn't done so well. So if your faith comes into conflict with science then you really do need to question whether your faith is misplaced. The better established a scientific conclusion the harder you need to question. That the Earth is a lot more than 10,000 years old is very solid. How life originated isn't known scientifically (and may not even be knowable scientifically, although we can reasonably expect that science will eventually come up with plausible scenarios that fit the evidence we do have). That God did or did not subtly guide the course of evolution is something that we just can't investigate.
So to be honest if your brand of Christianity comes into conflict with well-established science I think you would be well-advised to at least consider more liberal versions that do not have the same conflicts.

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Message 78 of 302 (244044)
09-16-2005 3:02 AM
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09-15-2005 8:28 PM


The date of the Christmas holiday was based on the dates of pagan festivals. The date of Easter was based on the dating of the Passover.
But I really don't see the harm in partially taking over pagan festivals. What is the alternative ? To ban the festivals altogether and stir up resentment for no good reason ? IIRC the Puritans banned Christmas - but it didn't stick.m

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Message 119 of 302 (244665)
09-18-2005 4:23 PM
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09-16-2005 9:02 PM


Ho many people worship a pagan God at Easter ? I don't mean taking part in folk-customs with no religious significance to them - I mean actual worship ?
And - as I pointed out - the way that the date is decided is based on Jewish reckoning. It's not the same way the date of a prior pagan festival would have been determined.
I have to say that I can't see how the dates of holidays is more important than - say - lending money for interest. H

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Message 205 of 302 (245950)
09-23-2005 11:35 AM
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09-23-2005 8:37 AM


Re: Amazing value
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Any similarity between man and animal can as easily be described by common design as by common descent. Stalemate??
The similarities - and differences - that enable this analysis to work are best described in terms of descent with modification i.e. evolution.

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