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Percy
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Message 8 of 101 (344323)
08-28-2006 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by AdminNosy
08-28-2006 1:44 PM


Re: Avoid too much at once
AdminNosy writes:
Please try to leave most of it to Jar other than some corrections or small suggestions about explanations so it doesn't move too fast or become overwhelming.
Fine by me, so I'll just suggest that radiometric dating should be included.
--Percy

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Message 28 of 101 (344669)
08-29-2006 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Faith
08-29-2006 9:49 AM


Re: order of sedimentation
Hi Faith,
Sorry to butt in, and I'm going suggest that everyone except Jar butt out, but I just wanted to quickly suggest that you temporarily suspend disbelief and avoid seeking creationist rebuttals. Raising issues and asking questions is part of the process, but the explanation of the analysis of sedimentary layers from the perspective of the science of geology will never be completed if you approach it like a debate. Entire threads have been spent debating Berthault, and other entire threads have been spent debating Mt. Saint Helens. I can't see how any progress can be made if the thread turns to discuss such topics. I'm sure you're very curious about them, but I don't believe that examining creationist claims about them while still ignorant of basic geological principles would be helpful. Just my opinion...
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 30 of 101 (344678)
08-29-2006 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Faith
08-29-2006 10:27 AM


Re: order of sedimentation
Okay, let's throw Jar out, but let's limit this. My reaction to this thread is that it's a mess. AdminNosy requested that participation be limited, and this was followed by a number of posts tugging in every different direction. They were all well-intentioned, but a cacophony is not conducive to learning.
So pick someone, just one person, to answer your questions. Ah, I see you've chosen Coragyps or Jazzns. Good. Let's see if they accept.
I still suggest that you limit yourself to asking questions about things you don't understand or want to know more about, but not seek creationist rebuttals of things you find difficult to accept. Instead seek to understand them better.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Respond to Faith's edit.

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Percy
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Message 40 of 101 (344723)
08-29-2006 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
08-29-2006 10:40 AM


Re: order of sedimentation
Faith writes:
Stop accusing me of "seeking" creationist rebuttals when I've specifically said I want to avoid that.
I'm not accusing you of anything. I merely described what you did in Message 26, which was to respond to Jar's statement of the principle of superposition with this:
Faith in Message 26 writes:
I guess I have to disagree with your first proposition...
quote:
unless there are signs that the area has been disturbed, a layer under another layer is likely older than the layer above?
...after spending an hour and a half this morning reading up on experiments in sedimentation by Guy Berthault...etc...
My suggestion was that you would learn more by not seeking out creationist rebuttals like this one to what people present in this thread. I think you would learn much more by posting your own reactions and questions with the goal of understanding (not accepting, just understanding) basic geological principles related to sedimentary layers.
I further suggest that you leave aside from this thread your tendency to seek offense at every turn. If you want to complain about mistreatment, such as people accusing you of things you didn't do, then please take it to the appropriate thread. Please allow this thread to focus on the topic.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 46 of 101 (344774)
08-29-2006 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Jazzns
08-29-2006 3:40 PM


Re: Igneous ROcks
Hi Jazzns,
A couple things in the first para looked funny to me, are these what you really meant to say?
Jazzns writes:
Settling does have much to do with layers forming.
Did you mean to say, "Settling *doesn't*..."
It just does not seem to call the creation of the other rock types by that name.
Huh? Maybe "right" should have appeared after "seem"?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 60 of 101 (344981)
08-30-2006 6:33 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Jazzns
08-29-2006 5:52 PM


Re: Igneous Rocks
Sorry to butt in again, just a quick question.
Jazzns writes:
A magma chamber is an intrusive igneous rock but plutons and batholiths are WAAAY bigger than that. Were are talking whole mountains and mountain RANGES.
Hoover dam was built with cooling water pipes embedded in the concrete. Without them the concrete would have taken around 400 years to cool. Large masses of hot rock take long time periods to cool. The larger the mass, the longer it takes.
How long does it take plutons and batholiths the size of mountain ranges to cool to the same temperature as the surrounding rock? Seems like it might be yet another method placing a minimum age on the earth. This isn't directly relevant to this thread, but knowing the approximate time scales they take to cool within the earth would be very useful in dating discussions.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 85 of 101 (346713)
09-05-2006 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Joman
09-05-2006 3:11 PM


This thread is being used for explaining how geologists associate layers with time periods, so questions about this process is what's appropriate here. If you'd instead like to challenge the views of modern geology on the formational processes of geologic layers then you should probably find a more appropriate thread, or perhaps propose a new one.
--Percy

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