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Minnemooseus
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Message 90 of 101 (347356)
09-07-2006 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by MG1962
09-07-2006 8:07 AM


Basalt not a radiometricly datable volcanic
In terms of dating geologic age, basalt is an excellent marker. Using Potasium 40 or Argon dating will get you a fairly accurate date of a volcanic event.
Some volcanic horizons are indeed very useful for radiometricly dating, and for the dating of sediments between volcanic horizons. But basalt, the mafic (high iron and magnesium) end member of the types of igneous rocks is (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) not radiomentrically datable by the common methods, including such as Potasium/Argon, Uranium/Lead, and variations there of. Basalt is very low in Potasium and Uranium.
I don't know if there are more recently developed radiometric methods that are useful for dating basalts.
Now, if you had instead said rhyolite (the felsic end member, high in feldspars and silica) you would have been on solid ground. Rhyolite very much so can have useful Potasium and Uranium contents.
Now for arguements sake we have a layer or basalt, the sedementry rock, then more basalt - We can be fairly certain of the time period of the sedimentry rock.
OK, if you substitute something along the lines of rhyolite for basalt.
For the sake of the discussion, lets assume that the layer of sediment has a fossil percular to it. By looking for this particular fossil in other sedimentry rock will give us the date of that rock as well.
OK, to a degree. If the fossil has been shown to have a short species life time, then it can be used to date a sedimentary rock to within a fairly narrow time span. But if the fossil has a long species life time, then the siedimentary rock can only be dated to be within that long time span.
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Minnemooseus
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Message 101 of 101 (364494)
11-18-2006 1:46 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Minnemooseus
09-07-2006 7:30 PM


Basalt not a radiometricly datable volcanic - WRONG!
THIS IS SERIOUSLY GETTING OFF-TOPIC, SO WE NEED A NEW TOPIC IF THIS LINE OF DISCUSSION GOES ANY FURTHER.
From message 1 of the new "A Guide to the Bait & Switch tactics of the Biblical Creationists" topic:
Jar writes:
A claim I have seen on many (unfortunately Christian) sites is of dating Hawaiian basalt using the potassium-argon method. The samples were known to be only 200 or so years old yet they got readings that were in the hundreds of thousands of years.
The above caused me to look into the radiometric dating of basalts a bit more.
Moose, in message 90 writes:
But basalt, the mafic (high iron and magnesium) end member of the types of igneous rocks is (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) not radiomentrically datable by the common methods, including such as Potasium/Argon, Uranium/Lead, and variations there of. Basalt is very low in Potasium and Uranium.
"Bolds" newly added.
Well, I was wrong (or at least, less than totally right), and no one corrected me. At least sometimes, basalts are datable and dated by the Argon/Argon method (and other methods). In Radiometric Dating there are examples of lunar basalts being dated by the 40Ar/39Ar method, and also by other radiometric methods.
In particular, see the above cited for an example of a single rock sample that was dated by a variety of methods. See the "Apollo 11 - High-K basalt 10072" table.
Well, I'm not going to go any further here. But I certainly wouldn't mind someone else explaining any proper datings of basalt by the K/Ar, Ar/Ar, and/or Rb/Sr methods. Especially the 40Ar/39Ar method. But it needs to be in a new topic
Moose

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