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Author Topic:   Why prefer the Biblical creation account over those of other religions?
Butterflytyrant
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Message 73 of 146 (632475)
09-08-2011 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by purpledawn
09-08-2011 8:04 AM


Re: And God said
Hey Purple Dawn,
Even the Jews know the stories are foundational myths.
You are lucky IamJoseph is suspended. That line would have started quite a rant.
With regards to considering the validity of all creation myths, you can fairly quickly strike most of them off the list.
Although I find all creation myths difficult to swallow, a large number are impossible. Usually for one of two (sometimes both) reasons.
1. They involve situations that are just plain ridiculous.
example. - A Japanese creation myth advises that the islands of Japan were created from the ejaculation of one god when he pulled out while having sex with the underworld.
(Source : 6 Wacky Creation Myths Around the World - Matador Network)
2. There is something major in the myth that should be visable today that is not there, thus disproving the myth.
example - This particular Hindu creation myth. I believe that the first exploreres in space would have been quite surprised to see the world sitting on elephants who were in turn standing on a giant turtle.
Some creation stories are far more likely than others. Even if that likelyhood is still remote. The monotheistic creation stories are far more believable than the two examples. Not all creation myths are made equal.

I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong
Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot
"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson

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Butterflytyrant
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Message 77 of 146 (632521)
09-08-2011 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Buzsaw
09-06-2011 11:56 PM


Re: Biblical Account Has Evidence Of Accuracy
Hey Buz,
A lot of the Bible was knocked off of other pre christian reigions.
There is a doco called Zeitgeist that covers a lot of it. Here is a link to some of the relevent material - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0U8UCyP_p8
I cant seem to get youtube links to work so if this one does not work, just hit the link. If anyone can help with why it wont work, please let me know.
there is this one too, it is a series of three vids and covers more material -
link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqMQmO4-JzU&NR=1
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I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong
Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot
"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson

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Butterflytyrant
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Message 80 of 146 (632536)
09-08-2011 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Jon
09-08-2011 12:02 PM


Re: Biblical Account Has Evidence Of Accuracy
Hey Jon,
my comment - A lot of the Bible was knocked off of other pre christian reigions.
your reply - Like Judaism?
I will rephrase.
The holy books of the three major monotheistic religions are knockoffs of other pre christian religions.

I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong
Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot
"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson

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Butterflytyrant
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Posts: 415
From: Australia
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Message 83 of 146 (632545)
09-08-2011 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by jar
09-08-2011 12:49 PM


Re: Biblical Account Has Evidence Of Accuracy
Hello Jar,
I was being intentionally broad.
The claims made by Buz are pretty broad too.
His claim -
The evidence I cited for this thread is real evidence that the Biblical record is THE record. All others have none whatsoever.
I was suggesting that the Bible may not be THE record.
Do you mean that parts might be based on earlier mythos?
Yes. I am not looking to start a whole debate over this. I was just suggesting that parts of the Bible may be borrowed from previous myths. I have doubts that the Bible is a single, stand alone, original text that is completely unique.
There are too many similarities to previous religious texts and ideas. I am not saying that this refutes the monotheistic religions. I am also not saying that the stories in the Bible did not happen. Just that the Bible may be one interpretation of events.
I probably should not do too much posting at 3am.

I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong
Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot
"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson

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Butterflytyrant
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Message 84 of 146 (632547)
09-08-2011 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by PaulK
09-08-2011 12:55 PM


Re: Biblical Account Has Evidence Of Accuracy
Hello PaulK,
I've heard about Zeitgeist, and what I've heard has not been very positive. I'd be wary of trusting it too far and look for verification in more scholarly sources.
I agree. Some of it did set off the bullshit detectors.
I do know some of it to be factually correct though. The Book of Gilgamesh and some of the similarities discussed in rekation to other ancient religions for example.
The post was directed to a comment from Buz as well as the OP.

I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong
Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot
"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson

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