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Author Topic:   General discussion of moderation procedures - Part οκτώ
Percy
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Message 202 of 302 (365509)
11-22-2006 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by AdminBuzsaw
11-22-2006 5:39 PM


Re: Request for moderator review
Well, I guess I can't let my lone defender go it alone like this. Suffice to say that there's an avid discussion on this topic going on right now in the private admin forum, so I'm not sure why Buzsaw saw the need to make further public comment while the admin discussion is still in progress, but anyway:
Buzsaw writes:
Unlike the other participants of the discussion, Percy was making personal demeaning statements either implied or outright spoken...
I think it would be illuminating for you and any other interested moderators to present some actual passages of me doing this, naturally being sure to provide any context necessary to making an accurate presentation.
Insight and understanding develops out of discussion, so I see this as healthy. It should help us all reach a better understanding of what constitutes constructive discussion.
--Percy

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Percy
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Posts: 22504
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 4.9


Message 208 of 302 (365569)
11-23-2006 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by AdminBuzsaw
11-23-2006 12:12 AM


Re: Request for moderator review
Buzsaw writes:
First, it was five Moderators including myself who posted public messages here advising that you were debating in bad form. Why do you single me out as bringing this public...
I didn't single you out for bringing this public. I was just wondering why you saw the need to make *further* public comment while there was an active discussion in progress in the admin forum.
Btw I did not call for a suspension nor would I have, though I don't fault Adminnemouseous for making the questionable call
Neither do I. He called it as he saw it. This is what I ask all administrators to do. He acted in good faith. But as has been pointed out in the admin forum, there are a couple very fundamental issues critical to the nature of debate here at EvC Forum which perhaps didn't receive adequate attention. Or any attention at all, actually, which has me perplexed. But more on that when the discussion is concluded.
So far as going to the work of citing all of the offensive stuff, it's all public...
Yes, of course it's all public. But I do request that if you're going to continue making characterizations of offensive and demeaning behavior while the admin discussion is ongoing that you support these assertions with specific citations that include sufficient context to accurately characterize things.
--Percy

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Percy
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Posts: 22504
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 4.9


Message 210 of 302 (365597)
11-23-2006 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by AdminBuzsaw
11-23-2006 11:31 AM


Re: Request for moderator review
Buzsaw writes:
3. AdminOmni and AdminModulous both made public comments after mine, yet you chose to single mine out for whatever reason.
After your Message 201, which is the message I was responding to? No they didn't.
Yours was the only public comment after the discussion in the admin forum began. That's what I just finished saying: "I was just wondering why you saw the need to make *further* public comment while there was an active discussion in progress in the admin forum."
My only point is that in the interests of fairness I don't think it right to keep repeating things along the lines of "demeaning and offensive comments" without providing some substantiation. I think serious issues have been raised concerning such a characterization in the admin forum. Perhaps in the end we'll conclude that my behavior was offensive, in which case I'll take full responsibility, but the other outcome is possible, too, so I think this it inappropriate to keep repeating the charge publicly while the issue is still being discussed privately.
But if you want to continue repeating it, I think it only fair that it be substantiated by citing the relevant portions in context and making clear what is wrong with them in light of the Forum Guidelines.
--Percy

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