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Omnivorous
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Message 260 of 302 (373216)
12-31-2006 5:21 PM


Dr. Adequate's 24 hour suspension for truth-telling
AdminModulous writes:
After the insult-fest that is Message 34. Lunacy, cowaradice and dishonesty - all the usual insults one might hear in a debate rolled in one post.
...but nothing counterfactual that I could identify.
Randman is the cowardly lunatic liar that Dr. Adequate describes. Any competent observer could win the debate on that question with ease: the record is long and clear.
The Showcase licenses the most despicable behaviors from our most dishonest members; specifying the particulars of their pathology should not be a suspendable offense.

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Omnivorous
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Message 262 of 302 (373268)
12-31-2006 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by AdminQuetzal
12-31-2006 8:32 PM


Re: Dr. Adequate's 24 hour suspension for truth-telling
Well said, AdminQuetzal--reasonable, civil, measured, and in full accordance with the overt admin culture of EvC.
Nonetheless, Dr. A spoke the truth. Had he made those charges against almost any other member, they would constitute insults; as applied to Randman, they are facts, and I would happily debate that assertion with anyone...though I don't propose to do so here.
As long as we have the perverse Showcase, whose residents are free to fling their droppings at others without consequence, it will be periodically necessary for someone to point out that they are shitheads.
And I'm glad to hear from you, even in rebuke.
Just in case I don't get another opportunity (sic, indeed!) to say so, have a grand New Year!

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Omnivorous
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Message 274 of 302 (373381)
01-01-2007 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by AdminModulous
01-01-2007 10:06 AM


Re: Dr. Adequate's 24 hour suspension for truth-telling
If I met an ugly person and said "You're ugly" - it'd be true, but disprespectful.
Likewise if I saw an overweight person and called them 'fatty', that would be disrespectful.
Those comments would certainly be needlessly offensive and serve no good purpose, humiliating persons with little or no choice--or moral culpability--in the relevant matter; nor have the ugly slandered the fair, nor the fat the slim. Charging a slandering liar with his lies is materially different. Even the great respect due to the Office of the President should not preclude the observation that the current occupant is a liar who has done great harm to others.
I did not suspend Dr Adequate because he was not stating facts or otherwise. I suspended him because his comments were disrespectful. I suspended Dr Adequate because randman has been suspended for much less and it would be a double standard to look the other way for Dr Adequate.
Randman is apparently beyond suspension, having gained the powerful immunities of Showcase.
The 'but he is a liar' defense has been used time and time again here, by randman included. It didn't work in randman's defense, it won't work in Dr Adequate's.
Truth is a defense that could never work for randman, though it should confer some good to anyone who speaks it.
No defense could ever work for anyone here, because discussions of post mortem reservations such as mine are not trials. Still, I do recognize the forum's legitimate (though sometimes somewhat selective) concern for decorum.
I won't weary you further with the issue, AdminModulous. Thank you for the courtesy of your reply.

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Omnivorous
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Message 277 of 302 (373473)
01-01-2007 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by AdminModulous
01-01-2007 1:09 PM


Re: Dr. Adequate's 24 hour suspension for truth-telling
As indicated, AdminModulous, with the exceptions of wishing you a Happy New Year and offering my assurances of respect, I leave you with the last word on the matter.

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Omnivorous
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Message 279 of 302 (373498)
01-01-2007 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Hyroglyphx
01-01-2007 2:24 PM


Re: Dr. Adequate's 24 hour suspension for truth-telling
I do see that it is simple.

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Omnivorous
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Message 295 of 302 (373574)
01-01-2007 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Admin
01-01-2007 10:06 AM


Re: A few words on Dr Adequate, Randman and Showcase
Admin writes:
This was the mistake that Dr Adequate made. He entered the Showcase forum to debate with Randman, and when Randman began violating the Forum Guidelines, Dr Adequate responded in kind. And when Dr Adequate left Showcase and Randman continued to violate the Forum Guidelines with Dr Adequate as the target, Dr Adequate again responded in kind. Regular members must follow the Forum Guidelines.
Dr. Adequate did not "leave" the Showcase debate with randman; randman effected his removal for the most pernicious of reasons--Dr. Adequate was besting him in fair debate.
This is a perversion of discourse.
I am amazed--and dismayed--that you think it a reasonable arrangement.

Drinking when we are not thirsty and making love at any time, madam, is all that distinguishes us from the other animals.
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