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Author Topic:   Creationist experiment to prove the possibility of Noah's ark
lyx2no
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Message 41 of 115 (544401)
01-25-2010 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by ZenMonkey
01-25-2010 10:06 PM


Too Much Water, Water Everywhere!
Someone please check my math!

I'm not exactly going to check the math, but… people have a density only slightly below that of water, and water weighs 8.34 pounds per gallon so your average, 77 gallon man weighs in at 640 pounds.


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Message 46 of 115 (549364)
03-06-2010 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Manifest
03-06-2010 10:47 AM


Maybe They…
Maybe they had food replicators.

Maybe they had Robots.

Maybe they had trained monkeys.

Maybe when they said "people" they only meant landed, Hebrew males over the age of 25.

Maybe they had a story to tell.

Psst, 8000 animals wouldn't take care of the beetles.


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lyx2no
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Message 50 of 115 (549381)
03-06-2010 2:26 PM
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03-06-2010 1:26 PM


Re: Maybe They…
I can tell you don't care to look at this seriously.

I wasn't playing make pretend any more then you were. Or is it because I know I'm playing make pretend that makes me less serious. If you want to make this a serious discusion maybe you should stop making things up like:

The problem is is if the flood occurred your carbon dating of these fossils wouldn't be reliable due to being heavily affected in this disaster.

Why would a flood affect carbon dating?

AbE: Just to add, fossils can't be carbon dated. Carbon dating is only useful to 50k years or so. 14C starts out as a very minor component. Reduce that amount by nearly three orders of magnitude and background noise tends to overwhelm the signal. And 50K years isn't long enough to fossilize stuff. So if we're looking at fossils of wolves and jackals we're also so far beyond 4,350 years we don't need to worry about their relationship to the flood.

Edited by lyx2no, : So I get you first.

Edited by lyx2no, : Spellink.


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lyx2no
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Message 64 of 115 (549555)
03-08-2010 6:49 PM
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Re: Maybe They…
Fossils can be carbon dated…

Fossils can not be carbon dated because they no longer contain organic material to be dated. Because of your statement the ToE assumes that you don't actually know what a fossil is.

… and they are only assumed to be older by the theory of evolution…

The ToE assumes nothing of the sort. The ToE states that a process of natural selection and compounding of random copying errors of are sufficient to explain the observed biodiversity. Observations do indicate that the processes of diversification aren't in any hurry, but it's not assumed.

Observations also indicate the the processes of fossilization aren't in any hurry either. But the ToE doesn't even assume fossils yet alone how long they take to form.

… which you have chosen to put your faith in.

Not quite. I, if I may be so bold as to assume I know more me about than do you, do not accept evolution as a reflection of reality by not knowing about it. I pulled my head out, examined the evidence and arguments, and found them to be undeniable. "Faith" is a belief unsupported by evidence which you, if I may be so bold as to assume I know more about you than do you, rationalize after the fact.

Furthermore, do you really think a machine that counts 14C atoms gets differing values dependant upon the assumptions of its operator? How does the machine know the assumptions of the operator? Does the operator tell the machine or does the machine sense them somehow?

Your claim that 50k years not being long enough to fossilize a dead animal is unscientific.

Is so.

Suffice to say - since admittedly you're not serious about any of this - that when a fish lies in water and is dead and is rotting the first thing that happens is the ligament attaching the head rots away and the head drops off.

So if I were to take your fantasies seriously the ligament attaching the fish's head wouldn't rot away and the head wouldn't fall off. Why wouldn't it?

Sometimes you have perfect fossils of fish which are eating another fish even.

This fish died in the process of giving the smaller fish a purple-nurple with its tail.

Seriously, there isn't any other possible explanation. Superposition isn't something that just happens. Oh sure, if one looks at dozens and dozens of fish fossils maybe it can happen once. What are the odds of that; like, 24:1?


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