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Message 8 of 123 (529805)
10-10-2009 4:57 PM

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10-09-2009 7:56 PM

How are you not arguing from incredularity?

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Message 11 of 123 (529810)
10-10-2009 5:26 PM

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10-10-2009 5:02 PM

An 'argument from incredulity' is a 'logical fallacy'.

wiki on logical fallacy writes:

In rhetoric, a fallacy is a misconception resulting from incorrect reasoning in argumentation. By accident or design, fallacies may exploit emotional triggers in the listener or interlocutor (e.g. appeal to emotion), or take advantage of social relationships between people (e.g. argument from authority). Fallacious arguments are often structured using rhetorical patterns that obscure the logical argument, making fallacies more difficult to diagnose. Also, the components of the fallacy may be spread out over separate arguments.

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You are basically saying: "I can't understand why it should be this way, so goddidit (or some variation thereof)".

ABE: I forgot to welcome you to EvC; it's a great place to learn as many of the posters are experts in their fields and the moderation is firm but fare. Hope you enjoy it here.

Edited by Larni, : Welcome

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Message 15 of 123 (529815)
10-10-2009 5:42 PM

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10-10-2009 5:36 PM

Re: Moderator costs

On the contrary, the moderation is free. Which some may think is only fair.

Bah! My stupid phonetic brain!

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Message 18 of 123 (529821)
10-10-2009 6:05 PM

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10-10-2009 5:50 PM

When I use the word argument I don't use it in the pejoritive sense. I merely mean to say that it appears that you are saying (in this case):

Dr writes:

But someone was smart enough to program the heart not to do this.

to the effect that "I can't understand why this should be this way; therefor something/someone does something to make it work".

This does not follow. I'm inferring (perhaps incorrectly) from this that you are implying a designer, here. But this does not logically follow.

The points you raise are interesting but do they point to a designer but to simply a gap in our knowledge.

As any scientist doing active research will tell you a gap in our knowledge (or research for all you MSc/PhD candidates out there) is great as it gives us something to sink our teeth into and get working on.

The other option is to say 'goddidit' and not apply for any more funding.

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Message 61 of 123 (531117)
10-16-2009 8:39 AM

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10-16-2009 8:19 AM

Kaichos Man writes:

Why not say 'goddidit' and apply for a lot more funding? To find out how goddidit?

But that's not what happens is it?

Say we discover via the scientific methodology that (for example) all of the diversity of life we see in the world is because of a process called evolution, then some people could logically say "Wow! So that's how our god did it!"

Does that happen? Well yes it does with many people.

But the issue is with people who believe in the inerrancy of the bible.

They say "It can't be (for example) evolution because the bible says otherwise". Full stop. Period. End of discussion.

The only way these people will look for answers is by saying "Our goddidit by magic" and stopping there.

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Message 65 of 123 (531138)
10-16-2009 9:22 AM

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10-16-2009 8:56 AM

Sir Isaac Newton? He believed in God, and he certainly didn't stop there.

The point is that when we say 'goddidit' the enquiry stops. As Straggler points out.

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Message 96 of 123 (532225)
10-22-2009 4:59 AM

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10-21-2009 9:18 PM

Re: Sir Darwin's excellent response: I don't know!!!

What intrigues me though is how Darwin chooses to ignore the origin of life question.

You must know that ToE does not concern itself with Abiogenesis: it could be a natural or a supernatural event but it has no bearing on ToE.

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