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Author Topic:   Help in teaching 11-12 Year olds (RE (Religious Education) in the UK)
hooah212002
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Message 100 of 126 (539130)
12-13-2009 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Peg
12-12-2009 7:25 PM


Re: Evolution and Origins
Peg writes:

Isnt that why evolution is so fiercly contested by creationists?

No. Evolution is so fiercely contested by creationists mainly because it turns "THE creation story" into allegory. Most of the rest of the bible can still be taken at face value, even in light of the facts of evolution, provided you view it as no more than a history book.

But wait! THE creation story can still be *true* if you don't actually thk A&E were actual humans, but just the first lifeforms.


*on a side note (which hopefully isn't too far off topic):
I asked on semi-almost-creationist friend of mine what race he thought A&E were. He said caucasion. I almost fell out of my chair. Do they really think that caucasion's were the first people? Was jesus caucasion as well?

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Message 102 of 126 (539154)
12-13-2009 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by Brian
12-13-2009 11:19 AM


Re: Evolution and Origins
I didn't intend what i wrote to be taken LITERALLY. of course I know the bible is not a history book.....at least not the way we see actuall history books. I meant you can view it to gain perspective of what our ancestors thought. Isn't that still history?

Jesus would have looked very much like any other male Israelite at the time, that's why Judas had to identify Him with a kiss.

He would not be blue eyes or white and certainly not have long hair.

(psst: That was a rhetorical question.)

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Message 115 of 126 (539227)
12-14-2009 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Peg
12-14-2009 2:13 AM


Re: Evolution and Origins
Peg writes:

isnt a natural origin what evolution is all about? Isnt that why evolution is so fiercly contested by creationists?

hooah212002 writes:

No. Evolution is so fiercely contested by creationists mainly because it turns "THE creation story" into allegory. Most of the rest of the bible can still be taken at face value, even in light of the facts of evolution, provided you view it as no more than a history book.

peg writes:

no it can't. The bible is the communication from the one who created the man and woman in his image, and all the animals 'according to their kinds'

he does not say that the put molecular life on the earth and allowed it time to evolve. He says he created each kind of animal and finally created the human man and woman as separate creations.

This is exactly why christians contest evolution.

So you go from asking why evolution is so fiercely contested to knowing exactly why? Why is it so hard to believe that a majority of the bible is simple allegory and myth? All of the rituals are stolen form other religions. Christmas? You guys don't even know when your failed messiah's birthday is. God even commands against christmas trees(Jeremiah 10). easter? Pagan.

{ABE} I know you as a JW don't celebrate x-mas, but the rest of christianity does, lending more creedence to "which one of you to believe?".

Peg writes:

Jesus christ spoke about A&E as real people. They are even listed in his geneolgy...so if they are not real, then nor is Jesus.

You only need A&E in jesus/ lineage for your myth book to be NOT allegorical. Jesus doesn't need them to be just some hippy (to which is what I subscribe to jesus being. He says some good shit in that book. Seemed like a nice guy who wanted good for the world). If A&E are not real, christianity is a sham, based on a whole lot of nothing. Sounds good to me. Now creationists need to see the light.

The reason why some might is because most christians dont study their own religion.

Which is why I repeatedly ask all of you christians: which damn one of you do we "heathenous non-believers" believe in order to be saved? Hell, you guys can't even agree on the little things: what a kind is, jesus' skin color/ethnicity. This is the main reason religion should ONLY be taught in a religion class, giving equal time to ALL beliefs. And only to be taught as what other people believe, not lending creedence to one being superior to the other. And yes, the pastafarianism should be taught as well.

You are on the right path Peg. You, out of all the bible thumpers here, are the closest to coming over to the dark side. Stop fighting it. I know you can see the light.

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Message 116 of 126 (539228)
12-14-2009 7:14 AM
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12-14-2009 7:07 AM


Re: Evolution and Origins
its more like 4,000 odd years.

And that makes even more believable?

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Message 119 of 126 (539231)
12-14-2009 7:54 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Peg
12-14-2009 7:23 AM


Re: Evolution and Origins
there is no problem there because the ancient egyptions are said to have domesticated cats around 2,000 bce...the flood came in the year 2370bce. Thats almost 400 years after the flood. And egypt was the area of land that the decendents of noahs son Ham inhabited.

So, which "kind" of cat did they domesticate? were there numerous "kinds" of cats aboard this ark?

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Message 120 of 126 (539232)
12-14-2009 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Peg
12-14-2009 7:38 AM


Re: Evolution and Origins
like i always say, dont believe any of them ...believe the bible.

Right. Because it's been proven to be such a reliable source of information. Why shouldn't we be able to go to the people who spout the word of god? Oh, and....which bible?????

im all for learning about other religions...the Awake magazines often have detailed articles about other religions.

So, you limit your learning of other religions to what your religion tells you? Surely you jest.

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Message 124 of 126 (539254)
12-14-2009 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Peg
12-14-2009 7:23 AM


Re: Evolution and Origins
there is no problem there because the ancient egyptions are said to have domesticated cats around 2,000 bce...the flood came in the year 2370bce. Thats almost 400 years after the flood. And egypt was the area of land that the decendents of noahs son Ham inhabited.

I want to get ack on this to say that more recent studies have shown felines to have been domesticated at least 5000 years earlier than what you say. Try again.

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