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Dr Adequate
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Message 63 of 126 (540777)
12-29-2009 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Peg
12-26-2009 9:34 PM


of course it does.
his death took place in the spring on the Passover according to the Jewish calendar, it was Nisan 14 (also known as the month of Abib) in the year 33 CE.
The bible also says that John the Baptist began his ministry at 30yrs of age in the 15th year of Tiberius Ceasar. 6 mths later also at the age of 30yrs, Jesus began his ministry.
But I'm not seeing this in the chapter of Luke that you cite.
It's a trivial point, but I do like to be accurate.
The most I've gleaned from the Bible is that Jesus was "about thirty" when he started his ministry (Luke 3:23), and that he celebrated at least three Passovers between then and his crucifixion (John 2:13, 6:4 and 11:55).
Perhaps your scriptural knowledge or historical knowledge allows you to fix the date more precisely, but you haven't made yourself clear.
If you know something that I don't, then I should be grateful for any further information.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 65 of 126 (540830)
12-29-2009 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Peg
12-29-2009 4:40 AM


Luke 3.21-23 says that Jesus went to John and was baptized being about thirty years old.
Well there's that "about", you see.
This is in harmony with the mosaic law requirement found at Numbers 4:1-3, 22, 23, 29, 30, that any isrealite going into some form of sacred service had to be from thirty years old upward. Thats why its also likely that John was already 30yrs of age when he began his special assignment.
But this is not necessarily so, is it? I mean, on the one hand, if God had said to John --- "go baptize people", then John wouldn't have said: "No, push off, God, I'm not thirty yet". On the other hand, even if that's the youngest he could have been, there's no reason why God would have started ordering him about bang on his thirtieth birthday --- he waited until Noah was 600 before he started telling him what to do.
We know Jesus ministry lasted three and a half years, becasue the scriptural evidence is that he attended four Passovers as mentioned in John 2:13; 5:1; 6:4; and 13:1
Oops, it seems I missed one.
But this only gives us a lower bound for the length of his ministry.
I think you're being a little more precise tahn can be justified from scripture, but perhaps I'm missing something.
But thanks, your post was most informative.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 78 of 126 (540949)
12-30-2009 9:02 AM
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12-30-2009 6:47 AM


there is one more way of determining the age of Jesus at his birth and death.
Its the 70 weeks prophecy given by the prophet Daniel.
Daniel pinpoints the exact timing of the messiahs birth and death in this prophecy.
But this requires one to believe that the prophecy, and your interpretation of it, are accurate, which would require us to know the date independently of the prophecy, otherwise you're just indulging in circular reasoning.
As far as the prophecy goes, can you show me any Jewish scholar who identified these dates as corresponding to the birth and death of the Messiah before people decided that Jesus was the Messiah and started performing retrodiction on what is, let's face it, one of the obscurest bits of the Bible?

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