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Rrhain
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Message 102 of 126 (541161)
01-01-2010 6:20 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by caldron68
12-31-2009 12:44 PM


caldron68 writes:
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Infuriated or not, Jesus is credited with performing miracles
Which is blasphemy and proof that Jesus was not the Messiah.
Only god can perform a miracle. That's why Moses was taken aback when god told him what to do when in the presence of Pharaoh. God pointed out that Moses wasn't actually going to be performing the miracle, god would be but through the person of Moses.
Moses did not claim to have any supernatural powers. He was just a man. Miracles can only be performed by god.
For Jesus to perform a miracle would mean that Jesus was a god, which is blasphemy. There is only one god.
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Despite all of this, the old Jewish leaders refused to believe that Jesus was the Messiah. Really?
Yep. Because he did not fulfill any of the prophecies of the Messiah.
The Messiah is a man, not a god, who will be a warlord that unites the land and does not die in the process.
Jesus did none of that. Therefore, Jesus cannot possibly be the Messiah.
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Of course the reality could be either
Well, there's a third option, that follows along the lines of the story of Moses:
A tool of some other entity. The Pharaoh's magicians were able to duplicate the miracles of Moses, but it wasn't because they were on god's side.
How ironic it would be for Christians to find they've been the unwitting pawns of Satan. Especially since the book they're idolizing specifically warns them against following people like Jesus.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 125 of 126 (542715)
01-12-2010 7:28 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Peg
01-01-2010 6:52 AM


Peg responds to me:
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Moses did not claim to have any supernatural powers. He was just a man. Miracles can only be performed by god.
For Jesus to perform a miracle would mean that Jesus was a god, which is blasphemy. There is only one god.
this is not good reasoning considering you acknowledge that Moses was able to perform miracles due to God giving him the power
Incorrect. You need to read my post before responding.
Moses did not perform any miracles. That's why he was taken aback when god told him what to do in front of Pharaoh. God performed the miracles. He did it through Moses, but it was god all along. God did not give Moses any powers. Moses could not perform any miracles.
You really don't understand the concept of monotheism with respect to Judaism, do you? That is the entire reason that Jesus cannot under any circumstances be the Messiah: The miracles are attributed to him, not god.
That's blasphemy. There is only one god and only god can perform miracles. There is no need for a son for to have a son would mean there is a god other than god and there is only one.
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like the jews, your idea of the messiah is very material and limited.
Like a blasphemer, you wish to change the word of god. It is not for you to say who the Messiah is.
You seem to think that Jews are incapable of understanding Judaism. That only a Christian can tell a Jew what Judaism means. That in trying to determine what Judaism has to say about the Jewish Messiah, we should look to people who aren't Jews because the Jews are too ignorant of their own religion to understand what Jewish theology states.
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He was to be a messiah for the whole world, not just the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
What part of "unites the land" are you having a hard time understanding? Once again, you seem to think that you know better than Jews what Judaism says.
You need to take your arrogance, put it aside, and consider the possibility that other people understand their own religion better than you do.
If you can't have respect for another person's religion, what on earth makes you think you deserve respect for yours?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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From: San Diego, CA, USA
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Message 126 of 126 (542716)
01-12-2010 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Peg
01-01-2010 6:45 AM


Peg responds to bluescat48:
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But how do you know for sure that you are right & they(The Jews) were wrong? That the entire New Testament wasn't a hoax?
Anyone can write a story. And anyone can interpret such to say just about anything.
prophecy
Unfulfilled.
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archeology
Unsubstantiated.
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secular history
Unsupportive.
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Oh, and a little faith
When you have no physical evidence to support your claim, what else is there?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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