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Since it IS Christmas time......

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caldron68
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Message 93 of 126 (541100)
12-31-2009 12:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 84 by Peg
12-30-2009 6:27 PM

Peg writes:
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the bible is not a book. Its more like a jigsaw puzzle with a spiritual picture. In order to see the spiritual picture, you need holy spirit. God doesnt give holy spirit out willy nilly, there are requirements to getting it.
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The inspired word of God is a jigsaw puzzle? Why? If the OT/NT is truly the inspired word of God, then why the need to hide the true meaning of the word in a maze of parables, poems, quotes, songs and allegory? Shouldn't the word of God be clear, concise, easy to understand and utterly awe inspiring?
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Why would God (omniscient) allow the word to be confusing if the ultimate outcome would be the fracturing of the church into literally hundreds of different denominations, each with their own interpretation of the texts?
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The fact that millions of people have spent their entire lives attempting to make sense out of the jigsaw puzzle is pretty good evidence that the books are not the inspired word of God but more likely the work of man.
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Cheers
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caldron68
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12-31-2009 12:44 PM 		Reply to: Message 87 by Peg
12-30-2009 8:14 PM

Re: Secular Jewish thought on Messiahs coming
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What you have to take into consideration about the jews of the first century is that the Religious leaders refused to believe that Jesus was the messiah because he said that he was the 'son of God'. this infuriated them because it implied that Jesus was of supernatural origin. They refused to believe this about the Messiah because they had in their mind that the Messiah was to be a man like them.
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Infuriated or not, Jesus is credited with performing miracles, including but not limited to:
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  • Walking on water
  • Stilling storms
  • Curing the sick
  • Feeding 4000 at one time
  • Cursing a fig tree (nice)
  • Turning water into wine (very nice)
  • Providing a bounty of fish, twice
  • Returning sight to the blind
  • Cleansing Lepers
  • Healing paralytics
  • Healing bleeding women
  • Healing the deaf
  • healing the epileptic
  • Healing of withered hands and dropsy
  • Exorcisms
  • Resurrection of the dead (at least 3)
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    Despite all of this, the old Jewish leaders refused to believe that Jesus was the Messiah. Really? Of course the reality could be either:
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    A) Jesus did not exist as a person, much less a Messiah, but is an invention specifically designed to fulfill OT prophecy.
    B) Jesus existed as a man, but did not perform any of the miracles attributed to him. More than likely, the miracles attributed to him were the result of a hundred years of urban legend.
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    Cheers
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