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Dr Jack
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Message 27 of 453 (573189)
08-10-2010 10:31 AM 		Reply to: Message 22 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
08-10-2010 9:39 AM

Re: The case of Tony Martin
It was the fact that he was prepared in this way, almost ready and waiting for them, that seemed to lead to his being prosecuted. I think he went to prison for about 6 or 7 years.
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That, and because he shot them in the back as they were fleeing.
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Dr Jack
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Message 60 of 453 (573434)
08-11-2010 12:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 53 by crashfrog
08-10-2010 9:58 PM

If you're given the special privilege of owning a firearm I think it's not at all unreasonable to also expect you to exercise additional diligence when deciding where you point that firearm before pulling the trigger.
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Message 63 of 453 (573445)
08-11-2010 12:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 61 by crashfrog
08-11-2010 12:18 PM

Moreover, owning a firearm is not a privilege in the United States, it's a right that Americans have under our second amendment.
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You'll appreciate, I'm sure, that this is very much not the case in my country - where, of course, the Tony Martin case occurred.
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Dr Jack
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Message 65 of 453 (573458)
08-11-2010 1:24 PM 		Reply to: Message 64 by Hyroglyphx
08-11-2010 1:16 PM

The fundamental question is still the same that I asked as the OP -- do you have a fundamental right to protect your home with force, if necessary?
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With appropriate force, yes.
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(edit) Actually looking at the wording, no. You do not have a fundamental right to protect your home with force. It is right that the law allows the use of reasonable force in defending yourself or your property, but it's not a fundamental right.
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Appropriate force doesn't include shooting people in the back with a gun.
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Edited by Mr Jack, : No reason given.
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Message 81 of 453 (573601)
08-12-2010 6:10 AM 		Reply to: Message 78 by onifre
08-11-2010 6:26 PM

Re: My plan
No. There is a trespasser, but no criminal intent has been determined. Especially none where the death sentence is to be carried out. A Jehovah's witness that walks into your yard is trespassing. Like I said, it could be a deaf, retarded kid who managed to find a way into his house. Shoot first then find out why they were trespassing? That's where we want our society at?
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Indeed.
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It is not reasonable to use lethal force against a trespasser, nor is it reasonable to use lethal force against a burglar. It is reasonable to use lethal force to defend your own person, or that of your family, but not your property.
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