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ZenMonkey
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Message 16 of 25 (626383)
07-28-2011 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by crashfrog
07-28-2011 1:09 PM


Re: Default wont happen
crashfrog writes:

This crisis has been manufactured entirely as a result of Republican intransigence and bad faith. It's not a "disagreement between Democrats and Republicans." It's a refusal by Republicans to raise the debt ceiling under any circumstances. Full stop.

Part of the dynamic is that corporate interests backed the election of a crowd of Tea Party goons, in the belief that they'd be useful in preserving tax breaks for the rich and in destroying as much government oversight of business and industry as possible. The problem is, these Tea Party goons really do believe in destroying the entire government. They're now beyond the control of the corporate interests that got them in. That's why they won't compromise, that's why they won't accept deals that include removing any existing tax breaks for the rich, even if those deals would result in bigger savings and allow more cuts than they're asking for.

Did you see that the FAA essentially shut down today?

quote:
Taxes on airline tickets expired on Friday when the F.A.A. lost its operating authority, including the authority to collect taxes. Passengers are rightly furious at the nation’s airlines, many of which are pocketing the difference. But the masterminds of this fiasco are the House Republicans who let this happen.

The F.A.A. has also had to furlough some 4,000 workers. Needed airport construction projects — to maintain runways, build new traffic control towers and upgrade other facilities — have been halted across the country. The only good news is that the air traffic control system is still working because traffic controllers are paid from the Aviation Trust Fund, which still has a positive balance.

All of this happened after House Republicans inserted a new provision into a routine bill to temporarily extend the F.A.A.’s operational authority. The provision would end $16.5 million in federal subsidies to 13 airports in rural communities. The bill passed the House. But Senate Democrats balked, arguing that the right place for changing policy is in the regular F.A.A. reauthorization bill — noting that the temporary extension has passed 20 times since 2007 without any additional provisions.

“If we can’t put an end to these extravagant subsidies, then we will never be able to rein in spending where really hard decisions are necessary,” said Tom Petri, the chairman of the House aviation subcommittee, upon submitting the bill. Talk about pound foolish. When the F.A.A. lost operational authority, it lost its ability to collect $200 million in taxes a week. These taxes would have paid for the airport subsidies in about 14 hours.


And it's only going to get worse.


Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs.
-Theodoric

Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
-Steven Colbert

I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it.
- John Stuart Mill


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Thugpreacha
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Message 17 of 25 (626413)
07-29-2011 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Jon
07-28-2011 2:40 AM


The problem is human nature itself
Jon writes:

Thus the problem:

The pugs (= rich) have nothing to lose from playing their games (except seats, which is two years off and thus far beyond the four day memory span of the American public) and everything to gain (tax breaks for the rich).

The dems (= rich) also have nothing to lose from playing their games; they aren't a majority and needn't worry about taking blame for the fallout. What do they gain? They either get their way now or get to watch a lot of pugs go home in a couple of years and get double their way then.

Other than some feigned concern for the general welfare of the American people, there's no reason for either party to take this matter seriously.

So they don't.

f what you are suggesting is true, there is little hope for humanity in general

I would almost lean towards original sin...after all, how do we get corrupt?
human nature seems to lean towards selfishness

thus all politicians are selfish and as you say, pansies who wont take a bullet for the team

the wealthy also appear to be selfish
and I have seen daily examples of selfish poor people as well.


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Jon
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Message 18 of 25 (626416)
07-29-2011 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Thugpreacha
07-29-2011 9:14 AM


Re: The problem is human nature itself
The problem is human nature itself

Then the answer is to fix human nature.

What changes would you recommend we make?

Jon


Love your enemies!

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Thugpreacha
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Message 19 of 25 (626417)
07-29-2011 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Jon
07-29-2011 10:17 AM


Re: The problem is human nature itself
quote:
Then the answer is to fix human nature.

What changes would you recommend we make?


Its easy to get all noble and altruistic and suggest that we love one another and slay all selfish and self serving thoughts. Reality, however, suggests that this is easier said than done.

I don't try to hurt other people. I just want to make sure that I am taken care of. I have no one to care for me aside from myself. Ironically, I worry too much about what others do. How much they make, and how wealthy they are relative to me...yet I neglect actually taking care of myself.

The United States is the same way. The wealthy folks are only worried about their legacy and their heirs. They don't mean to screw up the country. They just don't want to have to be responsible for it. They have their own families. We need to unite as a country. I need to unite as an individual and stop being so schizophrenic.


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fearandloathing
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Message 20 of 25 (626442)
07-29-2011 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by GDR
07-27-2011 11:12 AM


quote:
(CBS) - Larry Flynt said on HLN's "Nancy Grace" Thursday night that he has offered Casey Anthony $500,000 to pose in Hustler magazine.

The pornography mogul told Jean Casarez, who was subbing in for Grace, that the half-million dollars would only a part of Anthony's payment. He explained that he would be willing to pay 10 percent of the profits to Anthony as well, if it were to go as viral as the trial, reports the Orlando Sentinel.

"She could make millions, more than's ever been discussed with her in any other possible interviews that she would be involved in," Flynt said reports the paper, referencing the alleged $1.5 million Anthony and her team are demanding for her first post-trial interview.

Anthony's team has denied the report saying it is "nonsense," reports CNN.

Flynt acknowledged that while there are still a lot of people that believe she is guilty of killing her daughter, there are still men who say, "'Hey, you know, I want to see her in her birthday suit.' So there may be some sick individuals ... but that's what life's all about."

Another side of Flynt's offer to Anthony, is to donate a portion of the profits to abused children and children's shelters, reports the Sentinel.


CBS news

This is a prime example, IMO, of what kind of screwed up world we live in. I think she got away with murder and now she gets to potentially get rich from it? WTF I wish the media would just ignore this skank, well unless she is found dead.

Larry Flint offering to donate a portion of the money to abused children and children's shelters is a joke, IMO the only reason he is doing that is to try and put a positive spin on making a murderer potentially wealthy, wich will happen anyway soon as she writes an OJ type book.


"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
— Hunter S. Thompson

Ad astra per aspera

Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.


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crashfrog
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Message 21 of 25 (626444)
07-29-2011 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by fearandloathing
07-29-2011 12:02 PM


I think she got away with murder and now she gets to potentially get rich from it?

Well, yeah. That's sort of what "not guilty" means. How fair would it be if the government got to punish you for crimes you weren't found guilty of? (Oh, wait - they can and do.)


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fearandloathing
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Message 22 of 25 (626447)
07-29-2011 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by crashfrog
07-29-2011 12:10 PM


I know she was found not guilty, our justice system performed the way it should, the prosecutors didn't convince the jury. My opinion is nothing but an opinion, I didn't follow the case as close as some so its probably less informed than some, nothing new there It still makes me sick though.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
— Hunter S. Thompson

Ad astra per aspera

Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.


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Message 23 of 25 (626450)
07-29-2011 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by fearandloathing
07-29-2011 12:16 PM


fearandloathing writes:

I know she was found not guilty, our justice system performed the way it should, the prosecutors didn't convince the jury. My opinion is nothing but an opinion, I didn't follow the case as close as some so its probably less informed than some, nothing new there It still makes me sick though.


I am still a little confused about what is actually making you sick, in regards to that particular case...

She was accused of murder.
She was found innocent.
Larry Flint offered her money to strip.
She declined the offer.

It's not much of a headline: "Woman doesn't strip."


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fearandloathing
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Message 24 of 25 (626456)
07-29-2011 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Panda
07-29-2011 12:24 PM


I think she is guilty, JMO and I hate to think she will eventually make a nice profit, not from Larry F maybe, but she will get paid by somebody, interview, book deal. If I felt she was wrongly accused and justice prevailed then it would be different. Opinions are often irrational and I guess to some mine is irrational as they come.

I should know better letting BS like this upset me with all that is truly disturbing going on in the world, one might say my post is a good representation of what the OP was talking about to begin with. Worrying about BS in the face of potential financial crises.


"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
— Hunter S. Thompson

Ad astra per aspera

Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.


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Message 25 of 25 (626475)
07-29-2011 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by nwr
07-27-2011 11:24 AM


Who ever is the speaker of the house is up the creek right now. You got two types of republicans. The right to central, but want to get the job done, and the right wing extremist who have a prniciple they would be willing to destroy the country over (and which would in fact destroy the country if it got implemented)

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