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Author Topic:   Big Bang Theory Supports a Belief in the Universe Designer or Creator God
frako
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Message 4 of 317 (640018)
11-06-2011 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by designtheorist
11-06-2011 5:39 PM


Simply stated — If there was a big bang, there has to be a Big Banger.
Your logic fails
Al stars are on fire so they had to be at one point lit, so there had to be a firestarter, no there was no firestarter they lit themselves when the pressure their own gravity caused they got on "fire".
The Law of Conservation of Energy says energy and matter are neither created nor destroyed. This is the most important reason why so many scientists in the 19th and early 20th centuries believed the universe always existed.
And yet virtual particles start to exists and in the next moment cease to exist,
So where did all that energy and matter come from? Who or what caused the Big Bang?
We dont know like we dont know how to go south of the south pole. There are so many things we dont know about the subject, firstly what was before the big bang if anything what about time dose it start there or not or was there a time before, if there is none or an infinite lenght of time how did we get to the point of the big bang starting.
Saying god did it is as just as good of an argument an alien kid lit his fart on fire.

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frako
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Message 32 of 317 (640051)
11-07-2011 5:56 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by designtheorist
11-07-2011 1:39 AM


Re: Reply to frako
Regarding your argument about virtual particles, it appears you are trying to argue against the Conservation of Energy. Physicists do not agree with you that quantum fluctuations or virtual particles violate this important law of physics. To quote from Wikipedia In the modern view, energy is always conserved, but the eigenstates of the Hamiltonian (energy observable) are not the same as (i.e. the Hamiltonian doesn't commute with) the particle number operators.
Well no they dont because they always come to be or start to exsist as a positive and a negative and when they clash they cese to exsist.
There are some theories of how they can bend the rules a bit if they pop in to exsistance on the edge of a black holes horizon where on particle is pulled in by the black hole and the other escapes. But still the energy in the universe remains the same there is still a positive and a negative particle equaling 0 it is just that they have not annihilated each other.

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frako
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Message 37 of 317 (640062)
11-07-2011 7:41 AM
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11-07-2011 7:23 AM


Re: Reply to frako
That does not mean our universe does violate that law for all we know the energy of our universe is 0, or our universe has a counterpart and combined their energy value is 0.

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Message 40 of 317 (640075)
11-07-2011 8:08 AM
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11-07-2011 8:06 AM


IMHO, there can be only one potential, possible exception: if another realm does exist, it will not contain anything which is already contained in this universe; nothing physical or corporeal. Thus none here would be able to percieve it.
That makes your religion invalid, you realize that right?
So a theist has provided atheists with a "logical" proof of no heaven or hell. lol
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Message 47 of 317 (640089)
11-07-2011 9:19 AM
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11-07-2011 8:45 AM


Re: Reply to Hooah212002
nope he is gonna concatce his fundamentalist preacher or go trough his tapes to find an excuse if he docent THEN he will not get back to you.
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Message 67 of 317 (640139)
11-07-2011 3:26 PM
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11-07-2011 3:15 PM


Re: A being?
(were it any different, life would not be possible, which I'm sure you already know
No i dont please enlighten me of how life cannot exist whiteout this particular expansion rate?

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Message 80 of 317 (640158)
11-07-2011 5:17 PM
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11-07-2011 3:57 PM


Re: A being?
I've heard one scientist/philosopher assert that it is fine-tuned to one part in a trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion, and that were changed by one part the universe would not support life. Is that incorrect? If it is, I would really like to know, since I don't wish to use it again if it is. And if it is correct, one could certainly argue that it points toward design.
Most probably incorrect and a hard thing to find out what effect any change would have since we dont know any universe but our own, we dont even know if a universe can be "fine tuned" any other way is there a possibility of a universe exsisting that expands faster, or slowe, where gravity is stronger weaker ....
We dont even know if there is life on other plannets though we can speculate from what we see on earth life adapts to the most extraordenary conditions.Some Extremophiles live in acid, nuclear reactors, soo deep under water that no sun reaches them ......
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Message 161 of 317 (640263)
11-08-2011 4:39 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by designtheorist
11-08-2011 1:59 AM


Re: Some quotes on the big bang
, Big Bang Theory is compatible with and supports the view a creator God or Designer was involved at the start of the universe.
Since science has not yet produced the higgs bozon it stands to reason that no science theory compeats with the theory of pink gravity and mass unicorns many scientists have in the lack of finding the higs boson converted to worship the flying spaghetti monsteror otherwise known as Pastafarianism, scientists like Bobby Henderson or the Austrian Niko
Austrian Wins Right To Wear Pasta Strainer In Driver’s License « Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
If a religion does not compeate with a scientific theory that does not prove that that religion is true
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