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Message 10 of 373 (644164)
12-15-2011 6:48 PM


The one evidence needed
The one evidence needed is some evidence that the Designer exists. Until that is presented and examined, talk of Design is just silly.

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Message 47 of 373 (644367)
12-17-2011 9:59 AM
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12-17-2011 6:41 AM


where's the beef.
There is evidence of natural unintelligent causes.

Where is the evidence of any supernatural causes?

It really is that simple.


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Message 62 of 373 (644494)
12-18-2011 11:27 AM


on the designer
We know and have evidence that some critters design things. We have direct evidence for example that humans exist and that humans do and have in the past create tools and artifacts.

When SETI searches for signals they are actually looking for signal not just of life, not just of intelligence but rather for signs of technology similar to human technology.

When an archeologist examines findings he is not looking for just intelligence, but for signs of technology similar to human technology.

In both cases we have evidence of the designer.

Until the Intelligent Design folk can present evidence of the Designer comparable to the body of evidence that supports human design, they have nothing.


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Message 83 of 373 (644639)
12-19-2011 5:51 PM
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12-19-2011 4:41 PM


Where's the Designer?
The evidence needed is some evidence that the Designer exists.

Until that is presented and examined, talk of Design is just silly.


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Message 98 of 373 (644728)
12-20-2011 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Just being real
12-20-2011 3:25 AM


Note that I never said "just an increase of information." I said an increase of NEW information. Please explain to me how duplicating the same information once or even a hundred times could cause a fish to grow lungs with the ability to breath and put oxygen into the blood stream?

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Shall I go on or do you understand how duplication and mutation can add and create new information yet.


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Message 124 of 373 (644863)
12-21-2011 10:12 AM
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12-21-2011 10:04 AM


In Message 98 I showed you how duplication and mutation can change and add information.

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Message 146 of 373 (645028)
12-22-2011 12:55 PM
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12-22-2011 12:45 PM


Re: Where's the Designer?
I'm not sure how it can be called an opinion unless you actually did present some evidence of the existence a designer comparable to the evidence we have of human designers.

So far you have not presented any evidence to have any opinion about.


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Message 159 of 373 (646001)
01-01-2012 5:24 PM
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01-01-2012 5:01 AM


Re: Evidence for a designer
Evidence shows that in every case examined the cause of something has not been something that infinitely existed, is often trivial and even more often transient and does not survive past the act of causation.

There is no reason to think that whatever caused this universe to begin was not trivial and was not transient.


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Message 173 of 373 (646039)
01-02-2012 9:50 AM
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01-02-2012 1:42 AM


No Evidence for a designer
Utter nonsense.

First, you have not shown that there is any specificity in the universe, but even if you had it is irrelevant to your claim that some infinity critter caused this universe.

Why can't the cause of this universe be something trivial?

Why can't the cause of this universe be transient, destroyed during the creation itself?


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Message 193 of 373 (646192)
01-03-2012 3:46 PM
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01-03-2012 3:44 PM


Where's the beef?
Do you ever plan on presenting any evidence?

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Message 206 of 373 (646230)
01-03-2012 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by mike the wiz
01-03-2012 4:21 PM


Re: Where's the beef?
Even mentioning "that the consequent in a modus ponen is not confirming evidence" when speaking about reality or science is simply a nonsense assertion, using big words in the hope that it will sound like you know what you are talking about; but folk here are not that simple Mikey.

Logic is irrelevant to reality or truth Mikey.

We are in a science forum.

In science, physical evidence trumps logic every day.

If you have physical evidence of even a single non-natural cause or object, then your designer might be worth examination, but until you present some evidence, you have nothing.

If you have ever presented any such evidence then it is a simply thing for you to provide a link to that post.

Until then you have nothing but pseudo-philosophical masturbation.


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Message 311 of 373 (647319)
01-09-2012 8:53 AM
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01-08-2012 11:35 PM


Re: Evidence for a designer
It does not mean that that which came before this universe was infinite. Sorry but that simply does not follow.

In fact all the available evidence shows that the cause of things is finite and also in most cases trivial.


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