Evolution and Specialness of Humanity

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Uniqueness is useless in human evolution,

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To the contrary, evolution cannot proceed without uniqueness.Have you learned nothing about Biology in all the hours you have spent here?

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Uniqueness in reality is extremely important, allowing "ordinary" people to think of new ideas, and seek truth. To find God.

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It seems to me that Christianity strives to make everyone less unique, not more.Isn't that why conservative Christians are courted by Republicans as a voting block? Don't they tend to, as a group, hold to the same views, such as "abortion should be illegal", "legal marriage should be ONLY be between one man and one woman", and "government-run school prayer should be legal".This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-05-2005 08:30 PM

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I can see the evidence, but why regard the physical when spiritual truth resounds.

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Hmm, let's see if "spiritual truth" can help more than "evidence" while we work to understand how to fight HIV so that we can save many lives.Which do you think is going to work better in this specific case, dearheart?

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After the earth, nothing matters to you and the evo-bots

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After your own fragile ego, nothing matters to you.

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I can't relate to you, you're clouded with science,

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Yes, yes, I'm terribly "clouded with science", blah, blah, blah.

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you forgot the essential, you forgot love, you forgot God, anything with any meaning at all is gone.

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Excuse me, but who the hell do you think you are to tell me what I am all about?I have been in a deeply committed relationship with someone longer than you have even been alive.Do not presume to lecture me about "the essential" or "love".Your arrogance is very, very irritating.Now, try again.

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I can see the evidence, but why regard the physical when spiritual truth resounds.

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After the earth, nothing matters to you and the evo-bots

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If life were about survival, and reproduction(snip)

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Without reproduction or survival of individuals, there is no continuation of life.Sorry if this reality intrudes upon your preferred mystical world view.

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Requires, no. Allows, yes.

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...and you would deny the fact that allele frequencies in populations change over time simply because the acceptance of such allows for a person to become "robot-like"??Belief in God doesn't "require" one to become a suicide bomber but it does "allow" it. Doesn't this mean that you should reject religious belief?This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-05-2005 10:04 PM

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I feel that uniqueness is very important, it gives one the incentive to do better, or think of something that changes the world, rather than the go with the flow, american dream concepts.

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So you would be against Christianity, which strives to have everyone think and act and believe the same things, and you would be in support of humanism, which recognizes each person's uniqueness and encourages everyone to be themselves as long as it causes no harm to others.Right?

Prophex, do you accept the fact that allele frequencies in populations change over time?Yes or no?This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-06-2005 10:35 PM

What do you know about love, Charlie?Compared to the rest of us who are twice your age or more, that is?Please, instruct us ignorant fools in your infinite wisdom regarding love.I'm listening.

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and questioned my ability to love another person because of my age.

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Actually, I believe it was YOU who implied that I don't know about love because I accept the evidence for Biological evolution, Charlie.That's why I'd like you to explain to all of us what true love is all about. Clearly, you believe you know better than the rest of us, so I'd like to absorb some of your infinite wisdom.I'm listening

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Not intending to judge, but I don't see fulfillment in the things that you obviously do. Social/Economic Gain isn't on my agenda.

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So, raising happy, healthy loving children wouldn't fulfill you?What about volunteering for a literacy program, or at a battered women's shelter?Unfulfilling, in your book?

Prophex, do you accept the fact that allele frequencies in populations change over time?Yes or no?

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Would you mind explaining this?

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Do you accept the following facts?:1) Organisms reproduce.2) The offspring are not genetically identical.3) Not all offspring survive to reproduce.4) Offspring who's inherited genetic traits confer an advantage to reproductive success will be more likely to have their own offspring survive to reproduce.Do you accept the fact that all of these things happen?

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In regards to what I said, I wasn't referring to you, notice the reply info at the bottom of the post. You took it personally it seems, telling my things that you have done that have apparently fulfilled you? Raising Children, Volunteering to help the community you are in...

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No, you have it wrong.I have done some of these things, but not others.The point is, when someone stated that one can have a very fulfilling, positive, loving life without believing in God, you replied:

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Not intending to judge, but I don't see fulfillment in the things that you obviously do. Social/Economic Gain isn't on my agenda.

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You seem to be making some very bigoted assumptins about the goals and values of all non-believers. You quite clearly seem to assume that all of us care only about Social/Economic gain and nothing else.That is offensive and insulting.

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Doing these things can provide fulfillment in the sense of actually looking at the effects of what you have done. But when one sees the world as many people do, a world based on survival of species, (evolutionists)

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So, this is how you know all of us who accept Biological science think, is it?Based upon the arguments from us in this thread? Is that what you are basing your notion upon?

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these acts are almost fake, without significance beyond a strategy to help or advance the species.

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Your selfrighteousness, arrogance and bigotry are amazing, simply breathtaking.

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The love you have put effort in giving was simply part of an interaction based solely on survival, and it was not given for your feelings or for yourself, or even for the people that you may have helped, it was done for humanity, as a species within a world of millions of other species.

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What a fabulous, wonderous world it is with all of those millions of species in it.It's too bad that you are so insecure that you need to feel more important than everything else in it or else you will crumble.

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For this, the way things that are meaningful, become meaningless, I don't accept the theory of evolution.

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Can you please explain to me where any of this is mentioned in a Biology textbook?Can you explain how the observed change in allele frequencies in populations over time is related to what you just wrote?

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You may know of love, but refuse to understand it's apparent use within "evolution", and how truly fake it is there.

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Why is it fake?

How do you tell the difference between a real feeling of love and a fake feeling of love?