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I have never known any christianity that was not based on the idea that the whole bible was absolutely true. Christianity is based on the reality of the death, burial, and resurrection and deity of Christ. Why should anybody believe any of these things to be true? The only reasonable reason to believe any of these things to be true is because they are written in a book that is absolutely truthful and reliable. If genesis is just a collection of myths stolen from other sources and full of supernatural fantasies that the authors knew were false, there is no reason to believe Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. At that point, christianity is in a dust heap and the only people who believe the story are those who believe soley based on the emotionalism of the preacher and the desire to give meanings to their lives. These people are not concerned with giving a logical basis for their beliefs. Most christians I run into are of this stripe. They look at me puzzled for devoting so much of my time and energy to promoting the truth of the genesis creation and flood texts. They say "what does that have to do with preaching the gospel?" Nothing an atheist or scientist can ever say will sway these folks away from their faith. They believe because they need to believe. However, once the hardknocks of live come along, or someone of the christian faith they looked up to lets them down, their faith will come crashing down.The only logical way to be a christian in my opinion is to look at my way: The whole bible is true, including genesis. If this kind of thinking is only a century old, then the vast history of christianity has been practiced on shaky ground.Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

There is physical evidence of natural causes. There is statistical evidence of supernatural causes. There have been studies done on paranormal phenomena and data gathered in the studies show things happening at rates that are beyond the statistical norm. These data cannot be tested in a scientific manner , however, because the causal agents refuse to be tested in that manner.

Without a literal bible, christianity is absolutely worthless. It is merely a behavior modification program that gives its adherents hopes of pie in the sky with no basis whatsoever.

That would take some time. I don't keep every link that I have read. You do know that studies in psychological phenomena use statistics right? The causal agents are presumed because nothing but an agent with mentality would give different results or no results at all when given the same initial conditions. Paranormal phenomena never follow a predictable pattern, therefore they cannot be tested using the scientific method.

So the vast majority of christians don't even believe there is such a thing as a bible? They aren't christians in my book. They have zilch to base their faith on, only emotionalism and wishful thinking.I may as well join weight watchers or alcoholics anonymous or a support group for the recently divorced if I wanted to get what can be found at churches that reject the fully truthfulness of the bible or that there even is a bible.Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

I am not saying I wasn't aware of other such beliefs in christianity. I am saying biblical literalism is the only view that was held by the churches I have attended. That is what I grew up with. That is the nature of the books and websites I read. I reject all other forms of christianity that do not hold to biblical literalism. It is all I know, or more clearly, it is all that is real to me.

I just told you that they cannot be tested by the scientific method. They can only be observed and data taken from them to be analyzed statistically. The information can be found at a fierce debate about the paranormal at "Theology Online". I am a member there. I cannot remember the name of the thread so it could take some time to find the links I was referring to.Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

Just because there are a wealth of canons, doesn't mean there isn't a single true cannon. I have read the two creation stories in genesis. They are not contradictory; they are complimentary; just like the gospels are complimentary to each other.

How do you come to that conclusion?

I can try to find it, but you may have to wait several hours.

I have read the support somewhere for the authenticity of the current protestant cannon. A brief google already showed me some I have never read. There is a good reason to believe the current protestant cannon is supernaturally inspired. I am being honest. The first two books don't look contradictory to me. I know when I am being dishonest, and this isn't one of those times.Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

What other reason can you think of for the situation where you provide the exact same initial conditions and you get a different result everytime?

What???? You want to try and make your point again? I have glazed over eyes right now.

I just went to the other forum looking for the statistical evidence I was talking about. I found the member I remember that brought it up and had the links. I asked him to send them to me. They should be forthcoming within an hour I would think.

I didn't say that I knew it was a causal agent. It is much more honest to try and hypothesize what the likely cause of the phenomena to be. I gave you such an hypothesis and asked you to give me a better one. Instead of doing so, you mocked me and told me I was dishonest. Thanks a lot.Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.