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hooah212002
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Message 10 of 52 (722380)
03-20-2014 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by DevilsAdvocate
03-20-2014 4:03 PM


I don't think real christians even exist. Every one of you says every other one isn't actually a christian. Just because you don't agree with him and he makes you look bad doesn't mean you can just say "oh, well he's not actually a christian so it's not my problem".
And please don't bring up the "not a true Scottman" argument.
Why, because you don't want to acknowledge that you are committing that fallacy? If you say "don't call what I am doing a fallacy" that automatically means you aren't? In that case, don't tell me I'm an asshole.

Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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hooah212002
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Message 39 of 52 (722491)
03-21-2014 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by DevilsAdvocate
03-21-2014 12:58 PM


It would be like me saying that all atheists and non-believers are evil, satanic baby-killers.
But there is no such thing as an evil, satanic baby killing atheist, is there? There ARE, however, large swaths of very vocal CHRISTIANS that hate gays, vote against equal rights for gays and call them abominations. Those people actually exist. But I can see why you'd want to compare them to people that don't actually exist: you think those people aren't "real christians" so you don't have to deal with the problem. Convenient.
I though you were better than this. Your religion is showing. This sort of comment shows you to be no better than those like Faith and Fred Phelps even though you think you are.
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Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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hooah212002
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Message 48 of 52 (722524)
03-21-2014 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by DevilsAdvocate
03-21-2014 3:40 PM


No you missed my point. The logic fallacy sword you are using against Christianity is the same one you would have to use for atheism or non-believers. I don't agree with using this logical fallacy at all. That is my point.
If I am using a logical fallacy (I'm not), it's not the same one you are using. You are comparing made up people to real ones. You are trying to say we can't compare actual christians to actual christians because you made up a type of atheist. The closest you could come to doing the same thing I am doing is comparing all atheists to guys like Charlie Check'm. Except: atheists (that actually know who he is) are very vocal about either correcting his dumb ass or disowning him altogether. What doesn't happen, though, is saying "he's not a real atheist, so we don't have to worry about correcting him or making sure he doesn't seem to represent atheists".
I don't know if they or not.
That's funny because you are on record very recently as saying Phelps and Faith are not true christians.
You are angry because some Christians or supposed Christians commit wrongdoing and things that are morally objectionable. I agree with this moral outrage. A lot of other Christians disagree with this behavior and feel moral outrage at Phelps.
I'm not angry, pal. Pointing out flaws in your faith is not anger, no matter how tightly you hold it to your chest. I'm simply having a discussion and it happens to be at the expense of your faith. if you don't like it, bow out or don't put your faith out there.
Than if anyone states that all atheists are evil, you state you can't group all non-believers with Stalin, Mao and other notorious people who espouse atheism. It is a double edge logic fallacy sword and you are stabbing yourself with it. YOU Hooah, are being as illogical as Fred Phelps and others who denounce non-believers as "evil". I am not calling you an "evil, satanic baby-killers". I don't believe that. I am pointing out your logic fallacy of ascribing all Christians with the actions of a subgroup of Christians.
And you accuse ME of building up a strawman? When in this discussion have I done this? You are making shit up.
Look, the point of contention here as far as I am concerned is not that I lump you intogether with Phelps or Haggart (because I don't, actually, but making you accept them as christians causes you to feel that way), it's that you try to disassociate yourself from them by saying "they aren't real christians, so I they aren't our repsonsibility". it's the "they aren;t real christians" that is the problem. You should say "yes, they are christians, but they don't speak for the rest of us and we as a group should take more effort to make sure they don't represent us and make us look bad" (or something of the sort). But no, you try to hand wave them off by claiming them to not even be a part of the same group. News flash: they are part of your group whether you like it or not.
And to those atheists you strawmanned up? Yea, they are atheists alright. Won't deny that. The difference here and the reason the comparison doesn't work: there is no atheist dogma that binds us together. there is ONE question asked to newcomer atheists: do you believe in god. If the answer is anything other than no, welcome to the club. You, on the other hand, have a guide book and a club with rules. ANYONE can be a christian and they ARE is they say they are because none of you can get the rules right. Even the "I'm not religious, I just have a personal relationship with jesus" types. Yes, you have to own them too.
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Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

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