Christian Superhero Fred Phelps is no longer with us

I don't think real christians even exist. Every one of you says every other one isn't actually a christian. Just because you don't agree with him and he makes you look bad doesn't mean you can just say "oh, well he's not actually a christian so it's not my problem". Why, because you don't want to acknowledge that you are committing that fallacy? If you say "don't call what I am doing a fallacy" that automatically means you aren't? In that case, don't tell me I'm an asshole.

But there is no such thing as an evil, satanic baby killing atheist, is there? There ARE, however, large swaths of very vocal CHRISTIANS that hate gays, vote against equal rights for gays and call them abominations. Those people actually exist. But I can see why you'd want to compare them to people that don't actually exist: you think those people aren't "real christians" so you don't have to deal with the problem. Convenient.I though you were better than this. Your religion is showing. This sort of comment shows you to be no better than those like Faith and Fred Phelps even though you think you are.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

If I am using a logical fallacy (I'm not), it's not the same one you are using. You are comparing made up people to real ones. You are trying to say we can't compare actual christians to actual christians because you made up a type of atheist. The closest you could come to doing the same thing I am doing is comparing all atheists to guys like Charlie Check'm. Except: atheists (that actually know who he is) are very vocal about either correcting his dumb ass or disowning him altogether. What doesn't happen, though, is saying "he's not a real atheist, so we don't have to worry about correcting him or making sure he doesn't seem to represent atheists". That's funny because you are on record very recently as saying Phelps and Faith are not true christians. I'm not angry, pal. Pointing out flaws in your faith is not anger, no matter how tightly you hold it to your chest. I'm simply having a discussion and it happens to be at the expense of your faith. if you don't like it, bow out or don't put your faith out there. And you accuse ME of building up a strawman? When in this discussion have I done this? You are making shit up.Look, the point of contention here as far as I am concerned is not that I lump you intogether with Phelps or Haggart (because I don't, actually, but making you accept them as christians causes you to feel that way), it's that you try to disassociate yourself from them by saying "they aren't real christians, so I they aren't our repsonsibility". it's the "they aren;t real christians" that is the problem. You should say "yes, they are christians, but they don't speak for the rest of us and we as a group should take more effort to make sure they don't represent us and make us look bad" (or something of the sort). But no, you try to hand wave them off by claiming them to not even be a part of the same group. News flash: they are part of your group whether you like it or not.And to those atheists you strawmanned up? Yea, they are atheists alright. Won't deny that. The difference here and the reason the comparison doesn't work: there is no atheist dogma that binds us together. there is ONE question asked to newcomer atheists: do you believe in god. If the answer is anything other than no, welcome to the club. You, on the other hand, have a guide book and a club with rules. ANYONE can be a christian and they ARE is they say they are because none of you can get the rules right. Even the "I'm not religious, I just have a personal relationship with jesus" types. Yes, you have to own them too.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.