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Author Topic:   Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it
Faith 
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Message 713 of 1939 (754788)
03-31-2015 1:59 PM
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03-31-2015 1:52 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
[qs]All I know is that the fossil record would put them at the very top where they had least chance of being fossilized.
And their buildings, tools, artifacts, livestock etc. somehow made it all the way to the top of the geological record.
Did no one live down by the oceans or river valleys at that time? They only built on mountain tops?
I didn't say their houses would be buried in the upper strata, just the people.
I'm sure they didn't escape.
I'm talking about the first phase of the flood. How did buildings escape the 'scouring' and the burial by the first surge of sediments?
As I said, I'm sure they didn't escape. But my guess would be they were more likely swept away into the water than buried by the sediments.

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Message 714 of 1939 (754790)
03-31-2015 2:04 PM
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03-31-2015 1:51 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Really? That's not my experience. In my country it was basically based on boreholes originally.
...all based on boregholes, no fossils involved.
Byut you interpret the age of the strata you get from the boreholes according to the Geo Time Scale of hundreds of millions of years, and extrapolate the dates of fossils that are normally associated with particular strata also from that scale, so what's the difference?
And then you say you DO get mammals, and they're "near the top" which is where I said they normally are. So what's your problem?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 716 of 1939 (754792)
03-31-2015 2:13 PM
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03-31-2015 1:48 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Yet again, what is the model, mechanism, method, process or procedure that allows your magic flood to separate all modern life forms and segregate them into the uppermost strata which washed away into the ocean or rubble piles where they all rotted away?
I referred to the situation in the Grand Staircase area as evidence but perhaps you can come up with more intact Holocene strata and report on its fossil contents? That would be interesting.

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Faith 
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Message 717 of 1939 (754793)
03-31-2015 2:16 PM
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03-31-2015 2:12 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
The truth is that no one has ever been able to provide a model, method, mechanism, process or procedure to explain what does exist that does not require immense periods of time. That is why we keep asking you to provide the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure to explain how it could be done in only 6000 years.
You have NOT proved the need for immense periods of time, you have artificially invented the idea. And the Flood took ONE YEAR with a few years of aftereffects, not 6000 years.

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Message 726 of 1939 (754802)
03-31-2015 2:43 PM
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03-31-2015 2:36 PM


houses
You WAY underestimate the destructive power of a worldwide Flood.
However, sometimes I think there may be artifacts from the pre-Flood world that are misinterpreted by Science as usual. Don't know, maybe all perished.
Of course your biased interpretation must be better than mine because it's yours, right?

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Faith 
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Message 727 of 1939 (754804)
03-31-2015 2:49 PM
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03-31-2015 2:40 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Well, not to \[b\]you/b. Most reasonable people agree that old ages make more sense.
Right, old ages just subjectively "make more sense," they just FEEL more right, don't they? That's why I laughed when I realized the earth was really only a few thousand years old. We just FEEL LIKE it should be a lot older.
They understand that the house of ad hoc cards you are building is pure fantasy.
Yeh, that's sad because it's the Old Earth that's the fantasy, and they believe it only because they've been told it and because it just SEEMS like it must be right although the evidence claimed for it is utterly ridiculous.
And the "ad hoc" here is the manufactured proofs of this invention that just FEELS like it must be right.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 731 of 1939 (754808)
03-31-2015 2:53 PM
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03-31-2015 2:49 PM


Re: houses
Once again the "support" is pathetically nothing but senseless mental constructs and inventions. Time periods in strata, it's laughable except that it's bamboozled most of the human race, which really isn't funny.

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Faith 
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Message 732 of 1939 (754809)
03-31-2015 2:53 PM
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03-31-2015 2:52 PM


Re: houses
Gosh I don't know, why don't you interview them?

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Faith 
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Message 735 of 1939 (754813)
03-31-2015 3:09 PM
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03-31-2015 2:51 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Coprolites are FOSSILS. If human beings were found fossilized in great numbers then we could expect to find human coprolites. But it appears that humans along with some of the higher mammals, escaped fossilization and got eaten up by sea creatures or bacteria. Maybe they lived in grass huts that got destroyed too.

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Faith 
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Message 736 of 1939 (754814)
03-31-2015 3:09 PM
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03-31-2015 3:00 PM


Re: houses
You have a knack for stating the obvious.

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Faith 
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Message 737 of 1939 (754815)
03-31-2015 3:14 PM
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03-31-2015 3:00 PM


Re: houses
The theory of evolution can explain that sequence of fossils scientifically
The Theory of Evolution is pseudoscience, nothing but mental castle-building. It's genetically impossible for one thing, as I've argued over and over here -- microevolution depletes genetic material so you can never get a creature evolving beyond its given genetic potentials. And again, turning blocks of rock of specific flavors into time periods is so ridiculous I don't know how you all live with yourselves.

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Faith 
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Message 744 of 1939 (754822)
03-31-2015 3:58 PM
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03-31-2015 3:20 PM


Re: houses
Once again the "support" is pathetically nothing but senseless mental constructs and inventions.
According to whom?
Anyone who recognizes that there is no real evidence, anyone who stops to think about what is claimed for "evidence" instead of just taking it on faith and throwing it back on people who can see through it. Really, all you have to do is remove your head from the box it's been in for decades and free it to really see reality and really think for a change. You just keep your mind running around on its accustomed path and you don't really think at all you just keep going on that path you learned years ago,.
Time periods in strata, it's laughable except that it's bamboozled most of the human race, which really isn't funny.
This would be a good place to tell us why it's laughable.
Been there done that. Get off your circular track and you can see it for yourself. Stop ignoring the words I keep using over and over for starters.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 745 of 1939 (754823)
03-31-2015 4:03 PM
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03-31-2015 3:33 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
But it appears that humans along with some of the higher mammals, escaped fossilization ...
Heh, heh...
This reminds me of another forum a year or so ago where a poster said that human remains (and I guess houses, tools, etc.) could not be fossilized because of some 'different state' wherein humans were 'spiritual' and not 'physical'.
ETA: maybe they had spiritual coprolites, too...
Does Faith want to reach that far for an explanation?
You really don't read anything I write do you? Or it just goes right through you. I've never used such a silly argument as the above but since you can't or don't read and don't care about slandering me I get this kind of nonsense from you all the time. In fact I doubt you've ever done anything but make up straw man arguments against me, stuff you made up yourself. I gave a good reason why people and higher mammals would have escaped fossilization and I'll leave it to you to see if you have the honesty to go and find it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 747 of 1939 (754825)
03-31-2015 4:14 PM
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03-31-2015 4:10 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
No but you made sure to link me with them as if I did, insinuating that I say such stupid things too. You play a mean and cheap game here and I wish you'd cut it out.

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Faith 
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Message 752 of 1939 (754831)
03-31-2015 5:03 PM
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03-31-2015 4:16 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
The only time it's funny is at my expense, not that I care about me but I do care about my argument not getting all mangled in your mischaracterizations, straw man nonsense and miswplaced ridicule. You hate my arguments and don't mind making a mess of them but I'm working hard to keep them clear. You really don't seem to understand half of what I write as it is, you don't need to try to make things worse. If you want to be funny how about ridiculing some of the people on your side for a change? There are some doozies there.

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