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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
And you're the one who wants to oppress women and girls by telling them what to wear. We won't allow you to do that.
Nor do we allow the oppression of women and girls.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Greatest I am writes:
The majority DID rule in Canada and booted out the only party that agrees with you.
The majority will rule and so far my side looks to be ahead as most recognize that Islam is quite a misogynistic and immoral religion. Greatest I am writes:
That's the antithesis of democracy. We have to protect the rights of minorities because in the end we're all a minority of one. The left wing is not nearly as evil as the right wing and it is a shame that some few on the left will have to be restricted to insure the freedoms of the many. In Message 31 you quoted Niemoller:
quote:"They" is you. You are coming for the Muslims. Hopefully "we" will not make the same mistake that Niemoller lamented by failing to protect them from you.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
I want to protect the rights of Muslim WOMEN to wear what THEY decide. I quoted a woman who WANTS to wear they hijab but YOU would prevent her.
So you want to protect the rights of Muslim men to oppress and basically own their wives and daughters and force them to wear what he decides.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
We have laws against pedophilia to prescribe how we punish pedophiles that are caught. How do you propose to punish women who are caught wearing the hijab?
There are men who want the right to be pedophiles.Shall we protect their right to be and repeal the laws against it? Greatest I am writes:
Then the "free women" who are doing the assaulting are the ones who should be punished, not the victims.
Women are being assaulted as we speak by free women in Canada and elsewhere who are incensed by the garb in question. Greatest I am writes:
You are the one who is advocating abuse of women.
Shall we just allow that abuse of Muslim women to continue along with the slavery that that garb denotes?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Graetest I am writes:
It's abuse to tell women that they can not wear the hijab, niqab or burka if they want to. You want to ban the hijab, niqab and burka - i.e. you are advocating a law that would abuse women.
Is it abuse to make people drive the speed limit?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Nope. Your Bill of Rights guarantees individual rights, basically in defiance of majority opinion.
It is supposed to be a rule of law that applies no matter what the population mix is.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
*groan*quote:
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
We had a few flakes of snow on Tuesday night. It's pretty soggy this morning but it's supposed to shoot up to 10 degrees Celsius this afternoon.
How's the weather in Saskatchewan? Faith writes:
They do once in a while but I only drink coffee in the evening.
Do they serve coffee at the library too? I couldn't work at the computer in the mornings without it. Faith writes:
I was responding to your Message 158 where you said, "I don't see that it says any such thing," referring to your Constitution, as mentioned by GIA in Message 151. I was just pointing out that your claim that the majority rules is false.
I was talking about the rule of law and you said I was wrong and gave an example of the rule of law to contradict me. The Bill of Rights is also law. But beyond that I'd already given my opinion about exactly WHAT "individual rights" are protected and you just responded as if I'd said nothing about that. Faith writes:
Living in Saskatchewan, it's hard to get upset about global warming. As a friend of mine said, "El Nino is my friend." Worst case scenario: Vancouver will be under water and Kamloops will be our port on the Pacific.
I guess that's a bad thing if it's caused by global warming, but maybe it's a good thing if it's just one of those cyclical things and means we're going to have a wet El Nino winter as predicted, which would be nice after years of drought.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Yes, and as your own quote says, violation of minority rights is oppression.
The Constitution itself affirms majority rule. The following quote attributed to Jefferson states how majority rule and minority rights reasonably work together: Faith writes:
You over-use "political correctness" as a swear-word. It properly refers to people who pretend to espouse equality for political or economic reasons - a President who woos the Hispanic vote while planning a Berlin Wall to keep Mexicans out of the country or a retail chain CEO who woos black customers while refusing to promote black people above cashier. I've been saying that Political Correctness has a false idea of the extent of minority rights, to the point that they disenfranchise the majority. It does not apply to everybody who actually supports equality.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Indeed it is:
It's all in that Jefferson quote if you can manage not to gloss over its plain meaning.quote:It says directly that THOUGH the will of the majority prevails, it is a SACRED principle that the minority possesses equal rights. Jefferson does NOT agree with you. Faith writes:
No. It is a bad thing to treat people unequally. It is also a bad thing to say one thing and do another. BUT it is a good thing to profess belief in equality. The bad part of political correctness is not the saying, it's the lack of doing.
Political Correctness twists the meaning of equality and freedom and minority rights.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Greatest I am writes:
The difference is that it's YOU abusing the few. And you not only want the right to abuse women yourself; you also want to implicate ALL Canadians in your abuse by institutionalizing it. Just a few women being abused is better than having many women abused. It's far, far better for us to approach the abuse of women in a constructive way instead of adding to the problem like you want to do.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
That's what I'm asking you: Why should we allow you to forbid a woman from wearing the hijab, niqab or burka if she wants to?
Why do you think we should let other men force their will on free Canadians?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Free nations don't tell their people what to wear.
Plus signs of slavery should not be allowed in a free nation.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
I don't wear clothes because the government forces me to. Try going outside naked. But we should aspire to be a nation that imposes fewer restrictions, not more. I do not support nudity bans.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Testimonials are not universal. Your claim is equivalent to saying that if one woman says she has a sore foot, then all women have sore feet. Not true. It only applies to the ones who actually testify. Testimonials are evidence where I come from. So it still boils down to you wanting to dictate what women wear.
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