Yes, The Real The New Awesome Primary Thread

The use of the term "DINO" is highly appropriate. Besides Wall Street, I didn't realize she also accepts large sums from the fossil fuel industry.It seems Hillary is 'somewhat' pro-fracking? Accepted/promoted "limited" fracking in america?

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A college student asked Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton a simple question at the Flint, Mich., debate on Sunday night: "Do you support fracking?"

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And Bernie Sanders had a simple answer: "No, I do not support fracking."

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Hillary Clinton, though, needed more time to outline three conditions in a more nuanced answer on fracking. She's against it "when any locality or any state is against it," "when the release of methane or contamination of water is present," and "unless we can require that anybody who fracks has to tell us exactly what chemicals they are using."

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As SOS she supported fracking in Africa?

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As secretary of state in 2010, Clinton argued in favor of gas as "the cleanest fossil fuel available for power generation today," and said that "if developed, shale gas could make an important contribution to our region's energy supply, just as it does now for the United States." Her office, meanwhile, promoted fracking in developing nations.

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Hillary IS a vast bowl of pus.Edited by dronestar, : Hillary Clinton’s Big Shift on Fracking – Mother Jones

No, I guess not.And I guess she won't count on the 4500 amerikan soldiers who died in completely meaningless deaths in Iraq, because of Hillary's hawkish and enthusiastic support for lies, for her vote either.I guess that would be considered funny too?Edited by dronestar, : of

Hi Blue Jay, You'll have to forgive me, when I think of the MILLIONS of lives around the world who are so much worse off because Hillary was born, and the MILLIONS of lives that will soon get much worse if she should win the presidency, I don't exactly have the extra incentive for 'style points.'

Blue Jay,I've posted this before, but I would like to point out that Hillary is the ONLY candidate who IS a war criminal, and who HAS murdered about a million innocents including woman and children. 100% war criminal, confirmed. W A R . C R I M I N A L. For sufficient evidence, I'll point you to two of my apparently incontestable posts: Message 76 and Message 678. (I'm still waiting for Theo to stop running away and present his 'evidence.' Strikingly similar outcome as when Faith is asked to present evidence after she pronounces some nonsense.)As for the rest of the Republican candidates, they have spewed threatening pus in an attempt to attract like-minded voters for the Republican nomination. However, at the moment, the Republican candidates are not war criminals. They MAY go on to become war criminals like war-criminal Hillary, but at the moment they are NOT war criminals . . .. . .. . .. . .. . .yet. (It IS remotely possible that Trump is all talk, all bark. Carnival BARKer, that is)But why even borrow either anxiety?Blue Jay, do dark-skinned middle-eastern people's lives matter or not? Not a rhetoric question. Do dark-skinned middle-eastern people's lives matter or not? If you do not believe middle-eastern lives do not matter, a Hillary vote will SURELY condemn millions of middle-eastern people to the exact same foreign policy as Obama's, and Bush Jr.'s. Let me remind you again, that Hillary was an enthusiastic supporter of Bush Jr's invasion of Iraq based on lies. And, through Hillary's "Clinton Foundation," Saudi Arabia has "contributed," in exchange, Sec-of-State Hillary made sure Saudi Arabia received BILLIONS of dollars of weaponry. Saudi Arabia is one of the largest exporters of terrorism in the middle east and the most violent oppressors of women in the world.So . . .May I humbly suggest that you don't apply the either—or fallacy of choosing Hillary or any of the Republican candidates and search for a more ethical option. In light of Bernie's recent AIPAC speech, It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to find at least three better options.

Hi Percy,I’ve gotten so used to monosyllabic gibberish replies--the type that Jar usually gives--that I’ve forgotten how useful and enlightening your forum can be. Your post was thoughtful, well-written, AND INCLUDED SUPPORTING EVIDENCE (Theo, take note).Thanks.I've read petrophysics1 post, above. As he is a Cruz supporter and a worker in the fossil fuel industry, I guess I would be more trusting of your words . . . or possibly Dick Chaney. Regardless, there is no way I could ever trust the fossil fuel industry or america's lack of serious regulation when it comes to health and the environment.Environmentalism has, sadly, been absent in the Republican debates. And as mentioned, Hillary’s hands are in both Wall Street’s pockets and the Fossil Fuel industry’s. So a Trump vs Hillary debate may not be very enlightening or forthcoming in facts.If there are more ‘fracking facts’ to be uncovered, I hope a new thread can be created to cover this important topic.

Hi Ringo, Jar, Ooh-Child, and Tanypteryx. Yes, you're absolutely right Ringo. I should not tar Hillary with the term "war criminal," exactly like I shouldn't tar Hitler with the same term. BOTH Hitler and Hillary, while ALLEGEDLY murdering millions of woman and children, have not been tried in a court of law. So sure, one HAS to give the benefit of the doubt about Hitler's and Hillary's ALLEGED war crimes.For example, during Nazi Germany, maybe all six million Jews simply died, coincidentally at the same time, from some type of peanut allergy attack as they passed through the humanitarian health camps Hitler had protectively designed for them. Without a trial conviction, who can guess? Certainly not you, nor I. And maybe the countries bordering Germany suddenly and unilaterally compressed in size due to a fracking experiment that had gone terribly wrong, only to make it APPEAR Hitler had invaded their nations. Without a trial, we can never really know for sure. And besides, Hillary's ALLEGED middle-east victims were just dark-skinned foreigners. Nobody counts their demise as a real crime. Not even a misdemeanor, ain't that the truth Ringo? I mean, even an Iraqi mother of several children who died horrifically during a night-time marine raid, would just say, "M'eh, at least now I'll have a little more me time." Heck, the US military doesn't even count their deaths, period. Actually I am starting to feel quite foolish to even raise Bush Jr's invasion of another country based on lies as being "immoral." What was I thinking?So thanks for correcting me Ringo. Hillary is not a "convicted war criminal." Like Hitler, she is many, many, many tiers down from that lofty accusation, just a simple everyday, run-of-the-mill "ALLEGED war criminal." Yawn.Kudos Ringo, Jar, Ooh-Child, and Tanypteryx. Kudos.

Why soitenly . . . Message 76

Message 76

Wow.Besides Kofi Annan, former United Nations Secretary-General, I would guess this Iraqi woman below would call you an idiot:

Edited by dronestar, : Jar, not RingO

"People"?*Chuckle*TWO participants.You make it sound like there is a mob outside my office demanding I tell them where I hid the embezzled money.Jar is a serial troller. I will decide if I bother to reply to his inanity or not, thank you.I generally like Ringo's posts, but I notice when he is losing an argument, he skips all over trying in vain to find a weakness, no matter how small or technically inconsequential. Again, my time and patience has limitations, and I am under no obligation to reply to his every imaginable post. *chuckle*I write a 'million' word essay Message 76 with uncountable diverse set of facts supporting my stance, and you have the audacity to say I am being evasive? Because I won't entertain 'adults' who can read and comprehend my long post, but choose not to?Pfft. Okay. Go ahead, discuss them.

(And Percy wonders why . . .)

______________________________________________ Yeah, THAT's not condescending. Vim,We already tangled about Hillary before. Did you actually read my posts Message 76 and Message 678? All of them? If so, I don't know what more I could add to make a difference to you.I assembled the facts, . . . Hillary is a mass-murderer, (unconvicted) war criminal. Per Message 76, every politician that voted for the authorization to invade Iraq deserves to be tried in an international court of law.None among them deserve to be elected president of the US.

Thanks Mod.

Message 118(And Percy wonders why . . . )