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Faith 
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Message 1021 of 1352 (812110)
06-14-2017 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1020 by RAZD
06-14-2017 8:30 PM


Re: I've proved it a million times already
Bazillions of fossils is evidence of the great fecundity of the pre-Flood world, where the land was all green and kept moist by mists, there were no deserts or other uninhabitable places, and the oceans were teeming with creatures.

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Faith 
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Message 1034 of 1352 (812274)
06-15-2017 5:06 PM
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06-15-2017 2:17 PM


Re: It seems simple to me
Couldn't be that you have the wrong idea about how the laws of physics work in such a situation.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 1036 of 1352 (812286)
06-15-2017 5:26 PM
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06-15-2017 5:13 PM


Re: It seems simple to me
No, it's your straw man, not my view.

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Message 1041 of 1352 (812308)
06-15-2017 11:05 PM
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06-15-2017 9:15 PM


Re: It seems simple to me
No, I'm saying that since nobody witnessed the Flood there's no way to know whether it's possible by the laws of physics or not. All we've got is speculation as usual.

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Message 1043 of 1352 (812311)
06-15-2017 11:14 PM
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06-15-2017 11:10 PM


Re: It seems simple to me
Don't be an idiot. The Flood was a unique one-time event and all the arguments here are about whether this or that scenario about how it could have happened are possible or not. By the laws of physics. You certainly don't know and your opinions on this subject have been consistently ignorant.

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Message 1045 of 1352 (812318)
06-16-2017 12:21 AM
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06-16-2017 12:03 AM


Re: It seems simple to me
Strata and Fossils. Flood explains them, Time Scale can't possibly.

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Message 1047 of 1352 (812322)
06-16-2017 12:34 AM
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06-16-2017 12:28 AM


Re: It seems simple to me
Strata and Fossils. Flood explains them, Time Scale can't possibly.

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Faith 
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Message 1049 of 1352 (812329)
06-16-2017 1:27 AM
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06-16-2017 12:45 AM


Re: It seems simple to me
The Strata and Fossils are so obviously the best explanation for the Flood, and the Time Scale so obviously impossible, as I've argued many times already, I don't see any point in getting lost in distracting rabbit trails.

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Faith 
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Message 1057 of 1352 (812379)
06-16-2017 9:43 AM
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06-16-2017 9:36 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
Faith puts the flood in the distant past, at the K-T boundary, the P-T boundary or even earlier.
Where are you getting this idea? I put the Flood roughly where most YECs put it, about 4300 to 4500 years ago. I don't try to be exact, I figure that's close enough.

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Message 1058 of 1352 (812380)
06-16-2017 9:45 AM
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06-16-2017 3:57 AM


Re: Ducking, dodging and weaving (same as always)
I don't follow any particular creationist ministries.

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Faith 
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Message 1060 of 1352 (812401)
06-16-2017 11:10 AM
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06-16-2017 10:08 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
There is no such thing as the KT or PT boundaries, that's all fiction based on the Geo Time Scale and since I reject all your dating systems you shouldn't pin them on me. Besides the dates I gave are nowhere near your Time Scale dates so why are you claiming they are? I absolutely reject all your dates.
Also the cross section I posted of England shows that there was no disturbance in the strata at the time it is claimed that Pagaea broke up. The strata are shown to have been all laid down and then all raised to a tilt in a block. But Pangaea is supposed to have broken up somewhere in the middle of that. The Tectonic force that tilted it all should have happened at that point in the strata deposition but it didn't, and this is a FACT, not something I made up. What is actually depicted is tectonic movement AFTER all the strata were laid down. Even if the scale is off, which it may be, there is no doubting the depiction of ALL the strata being tilted AS A BLOCK. That means Pangaea did NOT break up in the Permian or whichever time period it was supposed to be, it broke up after the whole geological column was laid down.
Which is what I kieep arguing for. The cross section of the Grand Staircase-Grand Canyon area shows the same order of events, all strata laid down before tectonic disturbance. The Flood accounts for all the strata and all the fossils and yes I believe the continents moved apart after all the strata were in place, which I hypothesize was due to a massive tectonic upheaval that occurred in conjunction with whatever caused the Flood waters to recede, which could have been the lowering of the sea floor.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 1062 of 1352 (812404)
06-16-2017 11:31 AM
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06-16-2017 11:19 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
Believe what you want but stop imputing the nonsense of the KT or PT boundary notion to me since I reject the whole Geo Time Scale idiocy.

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Faith 
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Message 1065 of 1352 (812414)
06-16-2017 11:55 AM
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06-16-2017 11:51 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
They have nothing to do with the YEC date of the Flood so there is no reason to associate them with my views. They belong to the Time Scale dating system, I have nothing to do with them.

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Faith 
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Message 1066 of 1352 (812415)
06-16-2017 11:57 AM
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06-16-2017 11:33 AM


Re: The date of the flood...
OK, yes, EXCEPT for the Great Unconformity. All the strata above that point were in place before the tectonic disturbance that followed.

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Faith 
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Message 1074 of 1352 (812444)
06-16-2017 1:23 PM
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06-16-2017 1:05 PM


Re: The date of the flood...
Good grief this is craziness. I'm talking about the DATING which has nothing to do with the Flood. Duh. Duh. Duh. But if you want my view of the iridium layer it was carried on the Flood water and deposited on top of the layer where it got called the KT boundary.

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